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#1 Upholder

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:46 AM

https://www.reddit.c...resident_trump/

 

"Responding to Aurora: A Conversation with Illinois Leaders" will take place from 7 to 9 p.m. Thursday at First Presbyterian Church, 240 Standish St. The event is free.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:56 AM

From the link

..Following Virginia Beach shooting, President Trump is asked "Do you believe that silencers should be restricted?" His response: "I dont like them at all."

https://www.whitehou...e-departure-46/...

Wait, I thought he and especially his son was supportive before?

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:58 AM

If being covered by the NFA and it's punitive wait times, etc isn't "restricted" what exactly would qualify as "restricted"?



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 11:10 PM

Our favorite self-proclamed "#1 gun grabber" will be there tonight.  Anyone able to attend?



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 11:39 PM

Watch this closely and any follow up would be appreciated..it appears they are trying to place blame on a failure of there own doing...sadly i think its going to land square in the lap of the aurora pd....and none of this was any of aurora pd's fault

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:11 AM

Watch this closely and any follow up would be appreciated..it appears they are trying to place blame on a failure of there own doing...sadly i think its going to land square in the lap of the aurora pd....and none of this was any of aurora pd's fault


Well the fix it bill will take care of that by putting even MORE eggs in ISP’s basket. These people just cannot put the blame where it should be.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:16 AM

Are you sure that is correct link? I see nothing about Illinois "leaders" meeting in there

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:35 AM

https://www.dailyher...ursday-in-elgin

An Elgin church is hosting a panel of law enforcement and elected officials who will discuss what can be done to prevent tragedies like February's workplace shooting in Aurora.

"Responding to Aurora: A Conversation with Illinois Leaders" will take place from 7 to 9 p.m. Thursday at First Presbyterian Church, 240 Standish St. The event is free.

First Presbyterian Church is a social justice church, and its leadership researched the issue and selected the panelists, the Rev. Karen Schlack said. "As a church, we're interested in supporting the community and the police department, but we're also interested in trying to be involved, in trying to work with them so this won't happen again," she said.

The panel will feature: state Rep. Kathleen Willis, a Democrat from Addison; Lt. Col. David Byrd, assistant deputy director for the Illinois State Police; Kane County Sheriff Ron Hain; Kane County State's Attorney Joe McMahon; Aurora Police Chief Kristen Ziman; Elgin Police Chief Ana Lalley; and Jessica Trame, chief of the Firearms Services Bureau for the Illinois State Police. State Rep. Anna Moeller, an Elgin Democrat, said she will moderate the discussion.

Moeller said the talk will include efforts to address mental health issues from a law enforcement perspective, such as a collaborative crisis services unit established this year by Elgin police. "It's reframing how we approach these types of situations," Moeller said.

Willis is the chief sponsor of a bill that would mandate fingerprinting and background checks for Firearm Owner's Identification cardholders. The bill passed the Illinois House last week but was not brought to a vote in the state Senate before the legislative session ended Sunday. Supporters of the bill said it could prevent circumstances similar to those that led to the Henry Pratt Co. shooting Feb. 15 in Aurora, where a gunman who was being terminated from his job killed five civilians and wounded five police officers before he was killed by police.

Schlack said she was moved to call her congregation to action after the March 15 terrorist attacks at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 03:34 AM

First Presbyterian is a social justice church. Maybe someone eloquent among us could go and give them the racist reality of FOID. That would be interesting.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:22 AM

I guess the question to ask them is “how do you prevent evil, how do you prevent anyone from picking up an item like a hammer and hurting people, how do you prevent someone from taking a pickup truck and driving it through a crowd of people to injure them”?
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 08:49 AM

Wow, what a fair and balanced panel.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:59 AM

"Responding to Aurora" or "Overreacting because of Aurora?"



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Posted 06 June 2019 - 11:30 AM

"Responding to Aurora" or "Overreacting because of Aurora?"

 

Or, "Using Aurora to Further Our Agenda".



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Posted 06 June 2019 - 11:38 AM

 

"Responding to Aurora" or "Overreacting because of Aurora?"

 

Or, "Using Aurora to Further Our Agenda".

 

 

I think you hit it on the head.



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Posted 06 June 2019 - 04:57 PM

Please ask the pastor if he supports the gold star on your drivers license coming next year....i would luv to hear the response....who last was required to get the gold star???????...why those idiots choose gold is something to,give some serious thought

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 05:07 PM

Please ask the pastor if he supports the gold star on your drivers license coming next year....i would luv to hear the response....who last was required to get the gold star???????...why those idiots choose gold is something to,give some serious thought

Actually the pastor is a she. I get your point but none of the people on that panel would.

They have an agenda that isn't much different regarding the gold star.



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Posted 06 June 2019 - 05:32 PM

Please ask the pastor if he supports the gold star on your drivers license coming next year....i would luv to hear the response....who last was required to get the gold star???????...why those idiots choose gold is something to,give some serious thought


Yes, the Paster is a she.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:30 PM

The Elgin and Aurora police chiefs were supportive of firearm registration. Neither the moderator or the panel directly tackled how most of representative Willisâ proposals violate fundamental rights. No tough questions were presented to the panel. The moderator, rep. Moeller âconsolidatedâ the questions submitted and then asked her own based on the general topic. It seemed to me the whole show emphasized on $$$ and funding. Rep. Willis said six states have an equivalent to our FOID card system. Texas is one of them she said. I guess Texas did not get the memo. ^ this ***

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:59 PM

So what your saying is I would not be able ask the “esteemed” holier than thou panel direct questions?
I would call it a “FAKE DISCUSSION” as it is there merely to drive their thoughts and not actually have a discussion.
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Posted 07 June 2019 - 05:23 AM

So what your saying is I would not be able ask the “esteemed” holier than thou panel direct questions?
I would call it a “FAKE DISCUSSION” as it is there merely to drive their thoughts and not actually have a discussion.


That is correct, there were no direct questions.


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 09:15 AM

https://www.dailyher...-pratt-shooting

Police leaders urge speaking up, tightening gun control in wake of Pratt shooting

About 60 people gathered at an Elgin church Thursday night to ask what led to the killing of five people at a factory in Aurora in February, and what has been done to prevent similar killings.

The answers? More speaking up about people around us who show signs they could be dangerous to themselves or others even if those people don't have a criminal record.

Give state police more resources -- including money -- to effectively operate its system for checking people who apply for firearm owners identification cards.

And support changes to the FOID law to include raising the price of the card and to require applicants to be fingerprinted.

Aurora Police Chief Kristen Ziman; Elgin Chief Ana Lalley; Kane County State's Attorney Joe McMahon; state Rep. Kathleen Willis; Lt. Col. David Byrd, assistant deputy director of the Illinois State Police; and Jessica Trame, bureau chief of the firearm owners identification division of the state police, participated in the discussion.

First Presbyterian Church and Highland Avenue Church of the Brethren organized the session. It was moderated by state Rep. Anna Moeller.

Trame explained the process of granting FOIDs, including checks for diagnosed mental illnesses, commitments to psychiatric institutions, and criminal records. The crowd gasped when it learned that her 50-person staff -- which also oversees concealed-carry licensing, and concealed-carry and FOID revocations -- receives about 180,000 FOID applications a year, and about 200,000 requests for renewals. Last year about 9,000 applications were rejected, she said.

The Pratt shooter had an FOID; he lied on the application, failing to report a felony conviction for battery in Mississippi. With the FOID, he legally bought a handgun. He later applied for a concealed-carry license, and the Mississippi conviction surfaced, so he was rejected.

Willis spoke about her "Fix the FOID" bill she introduced this spring, which would have raised the fees and required fingerprinting for FOID. The House passed the bill, but it was not called for a Senate vote.

One change would have required that more of the fee go to the FOID unit. Currently, only $3 of the $10 does.

Even if authorities are informed an FOID is revoked, without specific knowledge that a person owns guns, judges are not likely to grant search warrants based only on the revocation, they said.

"There is no way for us to know whether an individual physically has a gun in his or her home," McMahon said, because Illinois does not require owners to register guns with the state or local authorities.

Ziman noted that the Pratt shooter didn't present any red flags to Aurora police. He had been charged with domestic battery, but he had also been the victim of domestic battery. He had worked for the factory for 15 years but had "minor" disciplinary issues. He was going to be disciplined that day for a safety violation.

The biggest red flag -- one that was missed -- was that he told a co-worker that morning that if he was fired, he was going to kill the people firing him. The co-worker, who knew Pratt kept a gun in his car, told police he didn't take the statement seriously.

And when asked if a national gun registry, national FOID and a longer waiting period to purchase a gun would help, Ziman responded, "Yes, yes, yes, yes."

She acknowledged there are Second Amendment concerns raised by law-abiding gun owners.

"I don't know that anyone of us can solve" the complex problem, she said. "But the place to start is at a registry. If you are going to bear arms, why not register them?"
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Posted 07 June 2019 - 09:21 AM

..."her 50-person staff -- which also oversees concealed-carry licensing, and concealed-carry and FOID revocations -- receives about 180,000 FOID applications a year, and about 200,000 requests for renewals. Last year about 9,000 applications were rejected, she said"...

So now we finally have heard from ISP on how large the FOID/CCL staff is.
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Posted 07 June 2019 - 09:28 AM

..."Willis spoke about her "Fix the FOID" bill she introduced this spring, which would have raised the fees and required fingerprinting for FOID. The House passed the bill, but it was not called for a Senate vote.

One change would have required that more of the fee go to the FOID unit. Currently, only $3 of the $10 does."...

Intentional or ignorance?

..."$6 of each fee derived from the issuance of Firearm Owner's Identification Cards, or renewals thereof, shall be deposited in the Wildlife and Fish Fund in the State Treasury; $1 of the fee shall be deposited in the State Police Services Fund and $3 of the fee shall be deposited in the State Police Firearm Services Fund.
(B) Renewal applications shall be approved or denied within 60 business days, provided the applicant submitted his or her renewal application prior to the expiration of his or her Firearm Owner's Identification Card. If a renewal application has been submitted prior to the expiration date of the applicant's Firearm Owner's Identification Card, the Firearm Owner's Identification Card shall remain valid while the Department processes the application, unless the person is subject to or becomes subject to revocation under this Act. The cost for a renewal application shall be $10 which shall be deposited into the State Police Firearm Services Fund."...

$540k in new apps and $600k in renewals based on their numbers. The FSB fund gets $1.14M yearly just in new FOID fees added to amount in fund. Plus the CCL fees.

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 09:49 AM

50 person staff - sworn or civilians?

 

clerical/professional - right now I guess when you figure in the pay grade and benefits. it's about 6 per $million per year.

Sworn: maybe 5 per million

 

so people costs alone might be 10 million per year.



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 09:52 AM

The crowd gasped when it learned that her 50-person staff -- which also oversees concealed-carry licensing, and concealed-carry and FOID revocations -- receives about 180,000 FOID applications a year, and about 200,000 requests for renewals.


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 09:58 AM

Basically a drunk who got her job by nepotism is calling for a national gun registry?

The staff at the ISP is 50 people and only $3 of the $10 for a FOID is going into that fund?

How much of the $150 for a CLL goes into that fund? How much do the 50 people make in salary?

The $3 for the FOID is roughly 4.2 million a year based on 1.4 million FOID holders.

 

They have be making a bunch off of $150 per CCL holder based on 275,000 permits.

The break down is 84K per for 50 people based on a 4.2 million dollar budget on FOIDs.

What are the pay grades and benefits these people are getting?

Take into effect that cant even afford a phone so maybe they should hire more people.



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 10:25 AM

ISP Firearm Services fund gets $3 for new FOID apps at 180k per year. $10 for renewal FOID apps at 200k per year. 2.3M total FOID holders.

ISRA says FSB fund got $78M seeding when CCL passed.

320K CCL card holders.

..."An applicant for a new license or a renewal shall submit $150 with the application, of which $120 shall be apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund"...

Edited by InterestedBystander, 07 June 2019 - 10:29 AM.

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 10:32 AM

50 person staff - sworn or civilians?
 
clerical/professional - right now I guess when you figure in the pay grade and benefits. it's about 6 per $million per year.
Sworn: maybe 5 per million
 
so people costs alone might be 10 million per year.

There used to be an annual ISP report with such breakdowns but they dont seem to do them now or at least I have not found it.
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Posted 07 June 2019 - 10:38 AM

ISP Firearm Services fund gets $3 for new FOID apps at 180k per year. $10 for renewal FOID apps at 200k per year. 2.3M total FOID holders.

ISRA says FSB fund got $78M seeding when CCL passed.

320K CCL card holders.

..."An applicant for a new license or a renewal shall submit $150 with the application, of which $120 shall be apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund"...

Messed up big time on my math but they aren't hurting with the seed money.

The guy that I spoke with when they had a phone was a civilian.



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 10:45 AM

ISP Firearm Services fund gets $3 for new FOID apps at 180k per year. $10 for renewal FOID apps at 200k per year. 2.3M total FOID holders.
ISRA says FSB fund got $78M seeding when CCL passed.
320K CCL card holders.
..."An applicant for a new license or a renewal shall submit $150 with the application, of which $120 shall be apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund"...

Messed up big time on my math but they aren't hurting with the seed money.
The guy that I spoke with when they had a phone was a civilian.
So far Ive only seen one ISP position posted for a Firearm services processing job...ever. And Im pretty sure it was a civilian position. Molly says they have trouble getting new hires and keeping them after trained because they move on to other jobs.

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