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#1 InterestedBystander

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 07:11 AM

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https://chicago.sunt...le-for-chicago/

EDITORIAL: Downstate gun sanctuaries could be miserable for Chicago

...Chicago struggles to cope with one of the nations largest illegal gun markets because it sits next to states such as Indiana and Missouri that have lax gun laws.

Many of the guns that turn up at Chicago crime scenes originally were purchased legally in those states.

Now, there is a movement to turn downstate counties into mini-Indianas. Sheriffs in many of those counties say they will refuse to enforce laws designed to reduce gun violence.

You can bet that will make it even harder for Chicago to make its streets safer.

In Illinois, 63 counties and municipalities have declared themselves gun sanctuaries where authorities wont enforce at least some gun laws, according to a tally by Reuters. On Monday, downstate Effingham County adopted a resolution to ban state Firearm Owners Identification cards, which are required by state law for owning a gun.

This new and growing enthusiasm for creating gun sanctuaries is a reminder that reducing gun violence takes more than passing new laws. Gun safety advocates also have to do a better job of convincing skeptics that their only aim is to reduce gun violence, not to take guns from hunters and others who use firearms for legitimate purposes.

As we learned the hard way during Prohibition, a law must enjoy public support to be effective. And gun safety advocates clearly are not doing a good enough job of enlisting the support of people who live in gun sanctuary jurisdictions.

A smarter approach to selling gun safety emphasizing an argument that resonates beyond those already committed to the cause proved effective last year in convincing the state Legislature to pass a law requiring the certification of gun shops. GPAC Illinois, a gun violence prevention group, successfully made the case to lawmakers and parents that their interest was simply to make all children safer, said Kathleen Sances, president and CEO of GPAC Illinois.

Downstate gun sanctuary enthusiasts, who proudly say they are patterning their laws after sanctuary city laws on immigration, may not fully appreciate the connection between lax gun laws outside Cook County and Illinois and the shooting deaths of innocent children in Chicago. They sadly may believe instead the propaganda of the National Rifle Association that every gun law is part of a lefty plot to confiscate every gun in the country....
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 07:47 AM

Typical, Chicago blames everyone else.

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 08:13 AM

Chicago has a serious gang problem. Gangs are taking the place of families and the kids aren't being taught right from wrong. That, along with the Foxx's unwillingness to seriously prosecute the innocent little children shooting each other over drugs and turf, is the problem. Taking protected rights away from law-abiding citizens won't change any of that.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 08:32 AM

...may not fully appreciate the connection between lax gun laws outside Cook County and Illinois and the shooting deaths of innocent children in Chicago...

 

Funny how Chicago always has someone or something else to blame for its problems.



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 08:33 AM

Anything MSM claims is miserable for Chicago must be good for everyone else.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 09:07 AM

So, Indiana and Missouri have these "lax gun laws” and this is a problem in Illinois.
Very first paragraph or so, but they have someone to blame right away and will then get to the meat n potatoes which is the rest of os law abiding citizens!

GPAC Illinois spends all their time and resources on a bill which in and of itself isn't the problem in THEIR own first few lines!

Why not go into Indiana and Missouri and work to set up better constraints therein?
Why not attempt, we know they can't due to the open mindedness of other states, to make them change laws or introduce laws to keep the flow of guns from crossing the borders?

See Chicago has a problem and they can't get a handle on it. There is NO problem with law abiding citizens in Chicago or Illinois as a whole. There is however a complete disconnect within the County of Cook and the City of Chicago.
Focus on the problem within those areas and stop trying to play your worthlessness and ideals to the entire state.
Chicago and Cook have always gotten their cutouts, even in the FCCA, Forest Preserves anyone????
I for one don't wish to live by the constraints placed upon residents of Chicago and Cook.......so i don't even visit there!
We need to find a PAC of some kind and have a word in these things.
We have no media as it stands on the larger stages.
There has to be a person with deep pockets somewhere who believes in our issues!
What can't we find this person. GPAC, MOMS, etc etc all have deep pocket support. They are linked by email AND social media forms.

Last time I asked for instructors to get their students to register at IC and be apart of the process they railed against have their students getting possible e-mails they don't want. We have 400 plus thousand now possible members and a large e-mail base to get our messages out, NOT my message, MollyB and the upper level of those fighting for us.
We need to get strong and we need to go back and address this single issue first. We need a solid base to work with and numbers from which to work with.

Whew, need to take a nap now, fingers are tired!

P.S. like always no spell checking has been done.

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 09:26 AM

...may not fully appreciate the connection between lax gun laws outside Cook County and Illinois and the shooting deaths of innocent children in Chicago...

 

Funny how Chicago always has someone or something else to blame for its problems.

 

In other news...

Chicago blames Ford, GM, and Toyota for the epidemic of Car Jackings, collisions and traffic violations.

"You just dont appreciate the connection between lax auto production regulation outside Cook County and the deaths of innocent children in Chicago. ", stated incoming Chicago Mayor Mizzz LightBrain.



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 09:54 AM

Chicago's illegal alien sanctuary is miserable for the rest of the state.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 10:05 AM

 

Gun safety advocates also have to do a better job of convincing skeptics that their only aim is to reduce gun violence, not to take guns from hunters and others who use firearms for legitimate purposes.

I would really like to know what their idea of legitimate use of firearms is and which firearms they consider to be appropriate for these uses.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 11:23 AM

So I have a question concerning this statement: "Many of the guns that turn up at Chicago crime scenes originally were purchased legally in those states." Is this true? Can a person go over to those states and buy a gun?



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 11:39 AM

 
Gun safety advocates also have to do a better job of convincing skeptics that their only aim is to reduce gun violence, not to take guns from hunters and others who use firearms for legitimate purposes.

I would really like to know what their idea of legitimate use of firearms is and which firearms they consider to be appropriate for these uses.


They may also want to talk to those legislators introducing semi auto bans every year. Pretty sure that falls under “taking guns away”


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 11:57 AM

...may not fully appreciate the connection between lax gun laws outside Cook County and Illinois and the shooting deaths of innocent children in Chicago...

 

Funny how Chicago always has someone or something else to blame for its problems.

 

It's also funny how those lax gun laws don't lead to Chicago levels of violent homicide outside of Chicago. I mean, here we all are in the exact same regulatory environment yet there are no dive by shootings anywhere near my street. When I lived in Chicago there were no drive by shootings in my neighborhood. For that matter MOST neighborhoods. Now I never did live in Austin or Englewood or some of the other neighborhoods where all this crime occurs. But since the gun issue is universal, what oh what could be responsible for this?



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 12:01 PM

So I have a question concerning this statement: "Many of the guns that turn up at Chicago crime scenes originally were purchased legally in those states." Is this true? Can a person go over to those states and buy a gun?

If you are buying a handgun from someone not a resident of your state, the transaction has to go thru an FFL to be legal. As usual, the writers often dont know what they are talking about.
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 12:10 PM

So in thinking outside the box....LOL
Why not get someone with a higher level of understanding all things lawful/guns and invite this editorial wiz to ride along to Indiana and to purchase a firearm at a local store. Several are located right along US 30.
Have them show us how easy it is and be sure to record the full ride, GoPro maybe.
If they refuse to attempt, maybe write a rebuttal and state the refusal of the same.

Just a thought.

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 12:11 PM

Pro-2A gun safety:
  • Treat every gun as loaded until you have verified it is not.
  • Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.
  • Don't point the muzzle at anything you don't want to destroy.
  • Know your target and what's beyond it.
Anti-2A gun safety:

Only a world without guns is a safe world. It's for the children.


Edited by Euler, 18 April 2019 - 12:12 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 12:20 PM

If i go to indiana to buy a gun if they see my drivers license is Illinois I have to show my lillinos FOID card fill out the forms if it is a long gun I go back when the wait time is up and get the gun if it is a hand gun I have to have it send to a FFL in Illinois and wait the time Period to get it so they must be buying from people on the street or a crooked gun shop that should not be in business. Never tried to buy in Missouri but did in KY and had to have it shipped to an FFL in Illinois 



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 12:24 PM

If i go to indiana to buy a gun if they see my drivers license is Illinois I have to show my lillinos FOID card fill out the forms if it is a long gun I go back when the wait time is up and get the gun if it is a hand gun I have to have it send to a FFL in Illinois and wait the time Period to get it so they must be buying from people on the street or a crooked gun shop that should not be in business. Never tried to buy in Missouri but did in KY and had to have it shipped to an FFL in Illinois 

 

That's exactly what I thought. I've brought two guns online in different states and had to have both shipped to an FFL.



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 12:27 PM

So in thinking outside the box....LOL
Why not get someone with a higher level of understanding all things lawful/guns and invite this editorial wiz to ride along to Indiana and to purchase a firearm at a local store. Several are located right along US 30.
Have them show us how easy it is and be sure to record the full ride, GoPro maybe.
If they refuse to attempt, maybe write a rebuttal and state the refusal of the same.

Just a thought.

 

I think this would be an excellent idea! Get someone from the Times and Tribune to go.



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 12:37 PM

so they must be buying from people on the street or a crooked gun shop


Or the Sun Times editorial staff don't know their rear apertures from a hole in the ground.

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 12:47 PM

[quote name="InterestedBystander" post="1208284" timestamp="1555610486"][quote name="harley1955" post="1208275" timestamp="1555608180"]So I have a question concerning this statement: "Many of the guns that turn up at Chicago crime scenes originally were purchased legally in those states." Is this true? Can a person go over to those states and buy a gun?[/quote]If you are buying a handgun from someone not a resident of your state, the transaction has to go thru an FFL to be legal. As usual, the writers often dont know what they are talking about.[/quotel

So I have a question concerning this statement: "Many of the guns that turn up at Chicago crime scenes originally were purchased legally in those states." Is this true? Can a person go over to those states and buy a gun?
If you are buying a handgun from someone not a resident of your state, the transaction has to go thru an FFL to be legal. As usual, the writers often dont know what they are talking about.


Oh I am guessing they know exactly what they are doing. Shoveling crap down the throat of dummies who dont know any better
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 12:50 PM

 

So in thinking outside the box....LOL
Why not get someone with a higher level of understanding all things lawful/guns and invite this editorial wiz to ride along to Indiana and to purchase a firearm at a local store. Several are located right along US 30.
Have them show us how easy it is and be sure to record the full ride, GoPro maybe.
If they refuse to attempt, maybe write a rebuttal and state the refusal of the same.

Just a thought.

 

I think this would be an excellent idea! Get someone from the Times and Tribune to go.

 

 

Nope...No..can..Do!

That would be considered Journalism

Somebody can get fired for that ya know!



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 01:33 PM

The Sun-Times makes the Tribune look like a right wing paper.  Only value is to line bird cages with it.



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 02:53 PM

Chicago's illegal alien sanctuary is miserable for the rest of the state.

 

Not just Illinois.  It also affects those parts of Indiana near Chicago as well.

 

Gun safety advocates also have to do a better job of convincing skeptics that their only aim is to reduce gun violence, not to take guns from hunters and others who use firearms for legitimate purposes.

I would really like to know what their idea of legitimate use of firearms is and which firearms they consider to be appropriate for these uses.

 

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 04:15 PM

 

...may not fully appreciate the connection between lax gun laws outside Cook County and Illinois and the shooting deaths of innocent children in Chicago...

 

Funny how Chicago always has someone or something else to blame for its problems.

 

It's also funny how those lax gun laws don't lead to Chicago levels of violent homicide outside of Chicago. I mean, here we all are in the exact same regulatory environment yet there are no dive by shootings anywhere near my street. When I lived in Chicago there were no drive by shootings in my neighborhood. For that matter MOST neighborhoods. Now I never did live in Austin or Englewood or some of the other neighborhoods where all this crime occurs. But since the gun issue is universal, what oh what could be responsible for this?

 

 

Or put another way...…

If less stringent gun laws cause higher rates of gun crime, why are the people of the neighboring states (with less stringent gun laws) not killing each other at a higher rate than the people in Chicago?


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:30 PM

Of course, it cannot be LWW Chicago refusing to do anything about its gang and criminal problem because gangs and criminals are LWW cronies. 


Edited by BobPistol, 18 April 2019 - 06:30 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 07:24 PM

 

 

Gun safety advocates also have to do a better job of convincing skeptics that their only aim is to reduce gun violence, not to take guns from hunters and others who use firearms for legitimate purposes.

I would really like to know what their idea of legitimate use of firearms is and which firearms they consider to be appropriate for these uses.

 

THEY HAVE MADE THEIR POSITION VERY CLEAR.



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 08:07 PM

I would really like to know what their idea of legitimate use of firearms is and which firearms they consider to be appropriate for these uses.

 

 

 

 

The only legitimate use of firearms is by the government.   There are no legitimate uses of firearms by law abiding citizens.    This is LWW-ism.


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Posted 19 April 2019 - 02:10 AM

So how does....

"Sheriffs in many of those counties say they will refuse to enforce laws designed to reduce gun violence."

Do anything thing negative to Chicago and Cook County?

How does that have a negative effect on them when these counties are deciding to do this and not Chicago and Cook County?

Apparently Chicago and Cook County can no longer enforce their "gun violence reducing" laws because other cities and counties?


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Posted 19 April 2019 - 02:49 AM

Apparently Chicago and Cook County can no longer enforce their "gun violence reducing" laws because other cities and counties?


You say it sarcastically, but it's what they believe. The lawlessness that surrounds Chicago gravitates into the city and escalates the ceaseless violence, overwhelming the lives of the innocent within. Or something like that.
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Posted 19 April 2019 - 05:01 AM

So how does....

"Sheriffs in many of those counties say they will refuse to enforce laws designed to reduce gun violence."

Do anything thing negative to Chicago and Cook County?

How does that have a negative effect on them when these counties are deciding to do this and not Chicago and Cook County?

Apparently Chicago and Cook County can no longer enforce their "gun violence reducing" laws because other cities and counties?

They want to disarm folks outside of Chicago because they are blaming *them* for gun violence in Chicago. This is the biggest problem with Anti 2A folks - their theory only works if they get *all* the guns from every one of US. It's madness...they are trying to convince other counties and States that if we would just give up our guns the problem that is exclusive to Chicago will go away.

 

Absolutely no trouble shooting skills here apparently. They are grasping at straws instead of logically trying to find and cure the Root Cause of Chicago Gun Violence. And in the process they are engaging in criminal/anti Constitutional behavior because they Just.Can't. Think. Stupid is as stupid does.

 

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