CHICAGO HANDGUN OWNER Posted January 4, 2020 at 04:38 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 04:38 PM This year there has been a huge amount of violent crime on public transportation! Is there any hope of expanding concealed carry to public transportation? These people are sitting ducks for violent thugs. I feel especially sorry for all the women victims. People are basically risking their lives when they take a bus or an L train. There are no Security guards or Police on board! What is Mayor Lightfoot doing about this? https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/woman-robbed-sexually-assaulted-on-red-line-train-near-morse-station.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator4838 Posted January 4, 2020 at 04:55 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 04:55 PM Quite simply the libs don't want us to own guns,yet alone carry them.having said that I imagine they would argue hazardous due to backstop concerns and close quarters.I'll walk downtown before I get on the red line,and I will drop off and pick up anybody in my family before they ride.last time I was at a downtown stop late at night,it was like something out of escape from n.y. or the warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSDlady Posted January 4, 2020 at 05:15 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 05:15 PM My mother (age 92) was telling me that she used to ride the "L" from her home in Oak Park to her job downtown when she was in her 20's. On Fridays she and her girlfriends would catch dinner and a show downtown. She would then take the "L" back home late at night. Never had any problems or heard of any. These days she said a woman would be nuts to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyP Posted January 4, 2020 at 05:23 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 05:23 PM The notion of restoring 2A RIGHTS to those most in need of protection - namely those on the gang-infested mass transit system - is doomed to failure from the start for the obvious reasons that it makes sense and this IS Illinois - where that whirring sound you hear in Springpatch is Lincoln spinning in his grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted January 4, 2020 at 08:10 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 08:10 PM Quite simply the libs don't want us to own guns,yet alone carry them.having said that I imagine they would argue hazardous due to backstop concerns and close quarters.I'll walk downtown before I get on the red line,and I will drop off and pick up anybody in my family before they ride.last time I was at a downtown stop late at night,it was like something out of escape from n.y. or the warriors. I've talked in person to several of the "lib" politicians in the city who aren't anti-gun at all. Don't make assumptions that shut down any hope for progress. Building coalitions takes work and its' a hurdle to overcome for sure, but most of us didn't expect us to ever have concealed carry at all. There is no place on the CTA that is anything like the Warriors. Show me where you're talking about. Hyperbole doesn't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted January 4, 2020 at 09:34 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 09:34 PM Quite simply the libs don't want us to own guns,yet alone carry them.having said that I imagine they would argue hazardous due to backstop concerns and close quarters.I'll walk downtown before I get on the red line,and I will drop off and pick up anybody in my family before they ride.last time I was at a downtown stop late at night,it was like something out of escape from n.y. or the warriors. I've talked in person to several of the "lib" politicians in the city who aren't anti-gun at all. Don't make assumptions that shut down any hope for progress. Building coalitions takes work and its' a hurdle to overcome for sure, but most of us didn't expect us to ever have concealed carry at all. There is no place on the CTA that is anything like the Warriors. Show me where you're talking about. Hyperbole doesn't help either. Practically every single day there's a story like this on this wonderful website. 01/04/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/cops-seek-6-people-who-beat-robbed-red-line-passengers.html 01/03/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/woman-robbed-sexually-assaulted-on-red-line-train-near-morse-station.html https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/man-with-long-history-of-trouble-along-red-line-is-charged-with-violent-robbery-on-jackson-platform.html 01/02/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/man-mugged-by-teens-at-belmont-brown-line.html https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/more-robberies-reported-on-red-line-in-loop.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCroskey Posted January 4, 2020 at 09:36 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 09:36 PM Quite simply the libs don't want us to own guns,yet alone carry them.having said that I imagine they would argue hazardous due to backstop concerns and close quarters.I'll walk downtown before I get on the red line,and I will drop off and pick up anybody in my family before they ride.last time I was at a downtown stop late at night,it was like something out of escape from n.y. or the warriors. I've talked in person to several of the "lib" politicians in the city who aren't anti-gun at all. Don't make assumptions that shut down any hope for progress. Building coalitions takes work and its' a hurdle to overcome for sure, but most of us didn't expect us to ever have concealed carry at all. There is no place on the CTA that is anything like the Warriors. Show me where you're talking about. Hyperbole doesn't help either. It's a shame they won't speak up for fear of losing their jobs. Being openly pro gun in Chicago is a political death sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHICAGO HANDGUN OWNER Posted January 4, 2020 at 10:02 PM Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 10:02 PM Imagine if that woman was your wife or daughter who got molested on the L train? What a messed up society we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted January 4, 2020 at 10:07 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 10:07 PM Quite simply the libs don't want us to own guns,yet alone carry them.having said that I imagine they would argue hazardous due to backstop concerns and close quarters.I'll walk downtown before I get on the red line,and I will drop off and pick up anybody in my family before they ride.last time I was at a downtown stop late at night,it was like something out of escape from n.y. or the warriors. I've talked in person to several of the "lib" politicians in the city who aren't anti-gun at all. Don't make assumptions that shut down any hope for progress. Building coalitions takes work and its' a hurdle to overcome for sure, but most of us didn't expect us to ever have concealed carry at all. There is no place on the CTA that is anything like the Warriors. Show me where you're talking about. Hyperbole doesn't help either. It's a shame they won't speak up for fear of losing their jobs. Being openly pro gun in Chicago is a political death sentence. Yes, currently it is. Hopefully that will change in the future. They need our support to be able to though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted January 4, 2020 at 10:08 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 10:08 PM Quite simply the libs don't want us to own guns,yet alone carry them.having said that I imagine they would argue hazardous due to backstop concerns and close quarters.I'll walk downtown before I get on the red line,and I will drop off and pick up anybody in my family before they ride.last time I was at a downtown stop late at night,it was like something out of escape from n.y. or the warriors. I've talked in person to several of the "lib" politicians in the city who aren't anti-gun at all. Don't make assumptions that shut down any hope for progress. Building coalitions takes work and its' a hurdle to overcome for sure, but most of us didn't expect us to ever have concealed carry at all. There is no place on the CTA that is anything like the Warriors. Show me where you're talking about. Hyperbole doesn't help either. Practically every single day there's a story like this on this wonderful website. 01/04/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/cops-seek-6-people-who-beat-robbed-red-line-passengers.html 01/03/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/woman-robbed-sexually-assaulted-on-red-line-train-near-morse-station.html https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/man-with-long-history-of-trouble-along-red-line-is-charged-with-violent-robbery-on-jackson-platform.html 01/02/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/man-mugged-by-teens-at-belmont-brown-line.html https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/more-robberies-reported-on-red-line-in-loop.html That's every day regular stuff that happens in any big city and in your town too I'm sure. If you were in the city in the 70s-90s you saw FAR worse than what goes on today, and the statistics back that up firmly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted January 4, 2020 at 11:53 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 11:53 PM Quite simply the libs don't want us to own guns,yet alone carry them.having said that I imagine they would argue hazardous due to backstop concerns and close quarters.I'll walk downtown before I get on the red line,and I will drop off and pick up anybody in my family before they ride.last time I was at a downtown stop late at night,it was like something out of escape from n.y. or the warriors. I've talked in person to several of the "lib" politicians in the city who aren't anti-gun at all. Don't make assumptions that shut down any hope for progress. Building coalitions takes work and its' a hurdle to overcome for sure, but most of us didn't expect us to ever have concealed carry at all. There is no place on the CTA that is anything like the Warriors. Show me where you're talking about. Hyperbole doesn't help either. That's every day regular stuff that happens in any big city and in your town too I'm sure.If you were in the city in the 70s-90s you saw FAR worse than what goes on today, and the statistics back that up firmly. I'd press the like button if I could... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted January 5, 2020 at 03:28 AM Share Posted January 5, 2020 at 03:28 AM Practically every single day there's a story like this on this wonderful website. I've talked in person to several of the "lib" politicians in the city who aren't anti-gun at all. Don't make assumptions that shut down any hope for progress. Building coalitions takes work and its' a hurdle to overcome for sure, but most of us didn't expect us to ever have concealed carry at all. There is no place on the CTA that is anything like the Warriors. Show me where you're talking about. Hyperbole doesn't help either. 01/04/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/cops-seek-6-people-who-beat-robbed-red-line-passengers.html 01/03/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/woman-robbed-sexually-assaulted-on-red-line-train-near-morse-station.html https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/man-with-long-history-of-trouble-along-red-line-is-charged-with-violent-robbery-on-jackson-platform.html 01/02/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/man-mugged-by-teens-at-belmont-brown-line.html https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/more-robberies-reported-on-red-line-in-loop.html That's every day regular stuff that happens in any big city and in your town too I'm sure. If you were in the city in the 70s-90s you saw FAR worse than what goes on today, and the statistics back that up firmly. I'll add that I know many females and non-male individuals that I teach self-protection who ride public transportation, many of them are of groups that do not trust the police due to extensive experience of having their reports of being victimized being dismissed out of hand, and ALL of them have more than one incident where they were sexually assaulted or victimized in some way on public transportation. For ever incident that is reported, I would conservatively say that 6 to 8 are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted January 9, 2020 at 03:54 AM Share Posted January 9, 2020 at 03:54 AM CTA train incidents up 104% over 5 yearsThe get-together comes as just-released data from the city shows crime on CTA trains and platforms is up 104% since 2015 with last year showing a 5% increase. The increases are particularly troubling as the CTA has reported decreasing ridership in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted January 9, 2020 at 04:25 PM Share Posted January 9, 2020 at 04:25 PM Practically every single day there's a story like this on this wonderful website. I've talked in person to several of the "lib" politicians in the city who aren't anti-gun at all. Don't make assumptions that shut down any hope for progress. Building coalitions takes work and its' a hurdle to overcome for sure, but most of us didn't expect us to ever have concealed carry at all. There is no place on the CTA that is anything like the Warriors. Show me where you're talking about. Hyperbole doesn't help either. 01/04/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/cops-seek-6-people-who-beat-robbed-red-line-passengers.html 01/03/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/woman-robbed-sexually-assaulted-on-red-line-train-near-morse-station.html https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/man-with-long-history-of-trouble-along-red-line-is-charged-with-violent-robbery-on-jackson-platform.html 01/02/2020https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/man-mugged-by-teens-at-belmont-brown-line.html https://cwbchicago.com/2020/01/more-robberies-reported-on-red-line-in-loop.html That's every day regular stuff that happens in any big city and in your town too I'm sure. If you were in the city in the 70s-90s you saw FAR worse than what goes on today, and the statistics back that up firmly. I'll add that I know many females and non-male individuals that I teach self-protection who ride public transportation, many of them are of groups that do not trust the police due to extensive experience of having their reports of being victimized being dismissed out of hand, and ALL of them have more than one incident where they were sexually assaulted or victimized in some way on public transportation. For ever incident that is reported, I would conservatively say that 6 to 8 are not. This has always been the case. Many of the cops don't really care and would rather downgrade crime, which has happened with great regularity. I'd argue that reporting is getting more accurate with more of the out-of-towners coming in and demanding that things be held to account with the CPD. If there's only 6-8 cases happening for every one reported, that's a big improvement over how things used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted January 12, 2020 at 01:06 AM Share Posted January 12, 2020 at 01:06 AM That's every day regular stuff that happens in any big city and in your town too I'm sure. If you were in the city in the 70s-90s you saw FAR worse than what goes on today, and the statistics back that up firmly. I'll add that I know many females and non-male individuals that I teach self-protection who ride public transportation, many of them are of groups that do not trust the police due to extensive experience of having their reports of being victimized being dismissed out of hand, and ALL of them have more than one incident where they were sexually assaulted or victimized in some way on public transportation. For ever incident that is reported, I would conservatively say that 6 to 8 are not. This has always been the case. Many of the cops don't really care and would rather downgrade crime, which has happened with great regularity. I'd argue that reporting is getting more accurate with more of the out-of-towners coming in and demanding that things be held to account with the CPD. If there's only 6-8 cases happening for every one reported, that's a big improvement over how things used to be. I said conservatively. I'm going by a sample selection that includes the people who I have taught risk and harm avoidance strategies that allow them to avoid many potential assault and molestation instances and situations that they might otherwise be subjected to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneGun Posted January 29, 2020 at 03:46 PM Share Posted January 29, 2020 at 03:46 PM My view has been that the prohibition on public transportation is a form of discrimination against people that cannot afford to purchase their own transportation. Similar to realtors that do not sell homes to certain groups of people in certain areas. The clear lesson is that "gun free zones" are "criminal activity zones". Until the millionaire politicians have to live like the rest of us without armed bodyguards, things will not change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT1 Posted February 9, 2020 at 03:38 AM Share Posted February 9, 2020 at 03:38 AM but most of us didn't expect us to ever have concealed carry at all. You are missing an important point.There was no working together to overcome any obstacle, there was no coalition with other legislators nor governing committees.A woman had to get beaten to within an inch of her life in a state that doesn't want anyone but the lawless armed, and go to court, and fight those folks who you think can unite, and win..By court order, we got CC.The same will likely have to happen again. Someone will have to get beaten just short of being killed on a train or bus, and then be willing to go to court, for years, stick it out, and maybe or maybe not win, go through appeals, etc, etc, before you or I will see them give up CC on public transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted February 9, 2020 at 06:24 PM Share Posted February 9, 2020 at 06:24 PM but most of us didn't expect us to ever have concealed carry at all. You are missing an important point.There was no working together to overcome any obstacle, there was no coalition with other legislators nor governing committees.A woman had to get beaten to within an inch of her life in a state that doesn't want anyone but the lawless armed, and go to court, and fight those folks who you think can unite, and win..By court order, we got CC.The same will likely have to happen again. Someone will have to get beaten just short of being killed on a train or bus, and then be willing to go to court, for years, stick it out, and maybe or maybe not win, go through appeals, etc, etc, before you or I will see them give up CC on public transport. Maybe this guy could be the case that gets the ban on public transportation ccw removed. I'm sure he'd be glad to get a ton of money from the city to buy replacements for the equipment that got ruined in the attack. Stabbed by a woman with 40 arrests on her record. Stabbed him after she couldn't push him onto the tracks.https://wgntv.com/2020/02/06/woman-stabbed-man-on-cta-platform-because-his-music-was-giving-her-a-headache-police/ The victim On February 4th, while doing what he loves he was attacked by a deranged woman who tried to push him onto the tracks, when not successful she stabbed him with a kitchen knife. During the ordeal, his amplifier and guitar were destroyed.https://www.gofundme.com/f/chicagos-machete-mike And she's part of Pfheger's Pflock! "Her public defender said she has a history of mental health illnesses, is a life-long Chicago resident and attends St. Sabina Church."https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/woman-tried-to-shove-red-line-musician-onto-tracks-before-stabbing-him-prosecutors/2215075/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted February 9, 2020 at 07:07 PM Share Posted February 9, 2020 at 07:07 PM Pfheger’s FLOCKNothing short of a store front for gangs and criminals And St.Sabina, it’s the money laundering building for the locals intake and distribution! Sorry if I have offended some, but after reading and following the tales of woe and grief from this group, I have absolutely no empathy should it burn to the ground and to never be replaced. Father Mike “Faker” The Flakey a wanna be Gang leader disguised as a priest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt guy Posted February 9, 2020 at 09:43 PM Share Posted February 9, 2020 at 09:43 PM Dont be old and fall asleep on the CTA with young exuberant kids around. https://www.foxnews.com/us/exclusive-chicago-subway-video-man-attacked-11-teens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted February 9, 2020 at 10:38 PM Share Posted February 9, 2020 at 10:38 PM So Crimesha says that if the victim can’t identify the attackers and help in that regard, she won’t touch the case.Forget about the video, which all the powers that be are always touting during the pressers!32k cameras and that’s so we can get video of the attackers and make it safer to ride. I’ll leave what I think should be done with animals like this.No consequences means no end in sight. Someone or somebodies are going to have to step forward/up and take one for the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted February 9, 2020 at 10:53 PM Share Posted February 9, 2020 at 10:53 PM So Crimesha says that if the victim can’t identify the attackers and help in that regard, she won’t touch the case.Forget about the video, which all the powers that be are always touting during the pressers!32k cameras and that’s so we can get video of the attackers and make it safer to ride. I’ll leave what I think should be done with animals like this.No consequences means no end in sight. Someone or somebodies are going to have to step forward/up and take one for the team! What's going to end up happening here is a Bernie Goetz-type incident, and one hopes that it turns out not to be a racist scumbag like Goetz ended up being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted February 10, 2020 at 12:29 AM Share Posted February 10, 2020 at 12:29 AM ^^^^^ I was trying not to be full blown vigilante........But I’m thinking along those lines tooSomeone is going to make a decision to carry just for the sole purpose of NOT being the next victim and it’s going to be very interesting! Kim, knock, knock, Kim you listening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted February 10, 2020 at 04:51 AM Share Posted February 10, 2020 at 04:51 AM ^^^^^ I was trying not to be full blown vigilante........But I’m thinking along those lines tooSomeone is going to make a decision to carry just for the sole purpose of NOT being the next victim and it’s going to be very interesting! Kim, knock, knock, Kim you listening?Hhmm? Somebody with make-up or "special effects" experience might try to put a fake arm in a jacket sleeve with the hand in the coat pocket. Then the real arm could be hidden underneath the jacket with the hand resting on the gun's grip - JIC.Or, if they look like a "senior citizen", they can be using one of those adjustable aluminum canes that has had a piece of steel rebar inserted into the insides. Just thinking - - - . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted February 10, 2020 at 04:57 AM Share Posted February 10, 2020 at 04:57 AM I’m liking the caneMight start shopping tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted February 11, 2020 at 10:48 AM Share Posted February 11, 2020 at 10:48 AM I’m liking the caneMight start shopping tomorrowI like the cane with the truss rod made of 0.250" music wire. YMMV. TSA approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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