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Went to a local dealer's web site a Marion LEO told me about and found this!

They will not do firearm transfers for Rock River or Springfield Armory firearms and here's why:

 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-trade-opposition-to-illinois-ffl-licensing-scheme-for-carve-out/

 

Springfield's CEO Dennis Reese said this - pretty lame!

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/daniel-zimmerman/statement-from-springfield-armory-ceo-denny-reese-on-ifma-deal-illinois-anti-gun-legislation/

 

IMO - Trading Constitutional rights for a dollar bill is about as low as it gets.

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There are a lot of people who feel the same way you do.

 

But having said that, this happened over a year ago, SA and RRA disassociated themselves from IFMA, SA in particular expended a lot of time and effort in the meantime to oppose gun control bills in Illinois, and that one vote margin was Senator Tom Rooney who was going to vote for gun control anyway. It wasn't like Rooney was on the fence and IFMA dropping their opposition to the bill swayed his vote. Rooney is an anti-gun RINO.

 

Did dropping the opposition to Gun Dealer Licensing maybe give some other senators some room to vote for the bill? maybe - but subsequently, and in the wake of school shootings, anti-gunners have been able to muster the votes for anti-gun measures despite Springfield Armory's opposition.

 

I think Reese had to have known what was going on, I don't believe him when he pleads ignorance. Some people are willing to let it go since SA has tried to redeem themselves since then, some people are not willing to let it go - ever.

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SA and RRA have a long history of supporting the rights of gun owners especially Illinois gun owners. They employ a lot of people in Illinois and contribute to the economy and state and local revenues. Wether they knew about the actions of the lobbyist or not, they have made a public position statement and correction and continue to build excellent products and support our gun rights.

Do we serve everyone's best interest more? Or Less? By boycotting them in favor of other manufacturers?

Or to put it another way, would we be better off to see them fail?

At a time like this, we need every friend and supporter we can get. I know both of them have been politically active and supported pro gun candidates in the past. they realize that's what is good for us is also good for them.

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SA and RRA have a long history of supporting the rights of gun owners especially Illinois gun owners. They employ a lot of people in Illinois and contribute to the economy and state and local revenues. Wether they knew about the actions of the lobbyist or not, they have made a public position statement and correction and continue to build excellent products and support our gun rights.

Do we serve everyone's best interest more? Or Less? By boycotting them in favor of other manufacturers?

Or to put it another way, would we be better off to see them fail?

At a time like this, we need every friend and supporter we can get. I know both of them have been politically active and supported pro gun candidates in the past. they realize that's what is good for us is also good for them.

There are other makers to choose from besides RRA and SA. My first AR came from RA. I own 3 SA's. It is a real shame when the neighbors become enemies. They did it to themselves. Boycott or not, they aren't going anywhere.

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SA and RRA have a long history of supporting the rights of gun owners especially Illinois gun owners. They employ a lot of people in Illinois and contribute to the economy and state and local revenues. Wether they knew about the actions of the lobbyist or not, they have made a public position statement and correction and continue to build excellent products and support our gun rights.

Do we serve everyone's best interest more? Or Less? By boycotting them in favor of other manufacturers?

Or to put it another way, would we be better off to see them fail?

At a time like this, we need every friend and supporter we can get. I know both of them have been politically active and supported pro gun candidates in the past. they realize that's what is good for us is also good for them.

 

I wouldn't consider them "friends" when they do backroom deals to get gun control passed.

 

With friends like those, who needs enemies?

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I actually don't feel it's old news in the sense that we shouldn't forget.

Passage of time and things will blow over is their hope.

Perhaps Todd could weigh in on this?

I believe true colors were shown and it's going to take quite a bit for me to trust Reese and SA ever again.

This was an April 2017 story. They claimed they turned things over to their lobbyist and didnt keep track of what he was doing. RRA went kind of silent by the end of this but SA formed a new lobbying group and have had "boots on the ground" in Springfield along with Todd, Illinois Carry, NRA, ISRA, etc where they have been reported to be helpful and effective.
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I actually don't feel it's old news in the sense that we shouldn't forget.

Passage of time and things will blow over is their hope.

Perhaps Todd could weigh in on this?

I believe true colors were shown and it's going to take quite a bit for me to trust Reese and SA ever again.

This was an April 2017 story. They claimed they turned things over to their lobbyist and didnt keep track of what he was doing. RRA went kind of silent by the end of this but SA formed a new lobbying group and have had "boots on the ground" in Springfield along with Todd, Illinois Carry, NRA, ISRA, etc where they have been reported to be helpful and effective.

 

Can a leopard change his spots?

Meaning the initial reply by Reese was at best weak sauce.

And the cynic in me isn't going to ignore distinct possibility that they are mostly interested in damage control.

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Welcome to the last century.

 

If we hold a grudge against every brand that ever even so slightly hurt our feelings we would all have to become gun grabbing liberals.

 

Every gun company at some point in their history did something evil that hurt the 2A in some way.

 

This is my second favorite whine sessions about gun companies. My first favorite is when people call a brand junk because it had a recall or some failure. Again every gun company has had failures and massive recalls at some point.

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SA has the same management.

This is hardly the last century. This is just last year and their initial response is very telling.

At that time many people said "never again will I buy one of their products".

I'm not saying never and they have made good moves recently but they are seriously in the time out chair.

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It is truly amazing to me when someone agrees to participate in their own extinction in exchange for some short-sighted goal.

 

The state licensing scheme is nothing less than an attempt to purge the sixth most populous state of ALL gun dealers. The law will bankrupt most of the small dealers immediately. Then, the Big Box stores will be subjected to "social pressure" to capitulate and stop selling guns.

 

Oh, yeah....and the carnage in Chicago will continue unabated.

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The state licensing scheme is nothing less than an attempt to purge the sixth most populous state of ALL gun dealers. The law will bankrupt most of the small dealers immediately. Then, the Big Box stores will be subjected to "social pressure" to capitulate and stop selling guns.

Consider the willingness with which a certain sporting goods chain that aptly bears the nickname for a reproductive organ rolled over when challenged back in the early 2000's, and then again in the 2010's.

 

Oh, yeah....and the carnage in Chicago will continue unabated.

While it's used as an excuse for "betterer, strongerer" laws, the people pushing these bills in the suburbs and state capitols don't give a flying utensil about kids in the hood.

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Consider the willingness with which a certain sporting goods chain that aptly bears the nickname for a reproductive organ rolled over when challenged back in the early 2000's, and then again in the 2010's.

 

 

Interesting you mention a big box retailer.

 

The bill that Springfield Armory and RRA were supporting via their wholly owned IMRF consultant would have exempted the big box retailers from a lot of the regulation. Essentially driving out the little shops in favour of the big box ones. Then when one of those shops changes their position on gun sales they would have essentially banned guns in Illinois. This is why the actions of the SA and RRA through their lobbyist should never be rewarded or forgiven.

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Consider the willingness with which a certain sporting goods chain that aptly bears the nickname for a reproductive organ rolled over when challenged back in the early 2000's, and then again in the 2010's.

 

 

Interesting you mention a big box retailer.

 

The bill that Springfield Armory and RRA were supporting via their wholly owned IMRF consultant would have exempted the big box retailers from a lot of the regulation. Essentially driving out the little shops in favour of the big box ones. Then when one of those shops changes their position on gun sales they would have essentially banned guns in Illinois. This is why the actions of the SA and RRA through their lobbyist should never be rewarded or forgiven.

 

 

 

Ahhhh.... he's a clever one, that Don Harmon.

 

 

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The state licensing scheme is nothing less than an attempt to purge the sixth most populous state of ALL gun dealers. The law will bankrupt most of the small dealers immediately. Then, the Big Box stores will be subjected to "social pressure" to capitulate and stop selling guns.

 

The state licensing scheme is an attempt to purge Cook County of a select few stores that happen to sell the overwhelming majority of the firearms.

 

The unintended consequence of the licensing will be that these select few stores will be the only ones left, especially after the big box stores pull out of firearms.

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