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SAF CONSIDERING LAWSUIT TO FORCE FASTER CCL PROCESS IN ILLINOIS



BELLEVUE, WA The Second Amendment Foundation today revealed that it is considering legal action to force authorities in the State of Illinois to speed up the application and renewal process for concealed carry licenses, following a report by WMAQ in Chicago about the length of time citizens must wait for their licenses.

A right delayed is a right denied, said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. We are considering taking legal to end this abuse of process.

According to the report, it is taking from 120 to 140 days for the State Police to process license applications when it should be taking between 90 and 120 days. Currently, nearly 34,000 first-time and renewal CCL applications are being processed. The state has almost 301,000 CCL holders, and those who obtained their licenses in 2013, when the law first took effect, need to renew.

The Second Amendment Foundations successful lawsuit forced Illinois to pass their concealed carry license law, Gottlieb recalled. Now the slow process is discouraging people from exercising their rights.

The State Police Firearms Services Bureau reportedly has only five staffers designated to handle about 20,000 phone calls a week. Gottlieb said that is simply unacceptable in a state where revenue from CCL applications and renewals runs into the millions of dollars.

In neighboring Indiana, Gottlieb said after viewing the WMAQ report, authorities process licenses in less than 60 days and in Wisconsin, they do it in five days on the average.
This isnt about serving the public, he observed, its about discouraging the public. It doesnt take a degree in mathematics or economics to realize there is a growing demand for carry licenses, but the resources clearly are not being provided to meet that demand, and we think its deliberate.

This especially impacts gun owners in the Chicago area, where demand is the highest, Gottlieb stated. If the General Assembly and state police dont care to allocate the necessary resources to solve this problem, we may ask the courts to make them do it.
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SAF CONSIDERING LAWSUIT TO FORCE FASTER CCL PROCESS IN ILLINOIS

 

BELLEVUE, WA The Second Amendment Foundation today revealed that it is considering legal action to force authorities in the State of Illinois to speed up the application and renewal process for concealed carry licenses, following a report by WMAQ in Chicago about the length of time citizens must wait for their licenses.

 

A right delayed is a right denied, said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. We are considering taking legal to end this abuse of process.

 

According to the report, it is taking from 120 to 140 days for the State Police to process license applications when it should be taking between 90 and 120 days. Currently, nearly 34,000 first-time and renewal CCL applications are being processed. The state has almost 301,000 CCL holders, and those who obtained their licenses in 2013, when the law first took effect, need to renew.

 

The Second Amendment Foundations successful lawsuit forced Illinois to pass their concealed carry license law, Gottlieb recalled. Now the slow process is discouraging people from exercising their rights.

 

The State Police Firearms Services Bureau reportedly has only five staffers designated to handle about 20,000 phone calls a week. Gottlieb said that is simply unacceptable in a state where revenue from CCL applications and renewals runs into the millions of dollars.

 

In neighboring Indiana, Gottlieb said after viewing the WMAQ report, authorities process licenses in less than 60 days and in Wisconsin, they do it in five days on the average.

This isnt about serving the public, he observed, its about discouraging the public. It doesnt take a degree in mathematics or economics to realize there is a growing demand for carry licenses, but the resources clearly are not being provided to meet that demand, and we think its deliberate.

 

This especially impacts gun owners in the Chicago area, where demand is the highest, Gottlieb stated. If the General Assembly and state police dont care to allocate the necessary resources to solve this problem, we may ask the courts to make them do it.

 

 

Good, I've been waiting since April for my renewal application to be approved

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They literally have NO excuse, THEY issued the CCL, so they know when it expires, and can anticipate THOSE loads upon

their system literally years in advance.

 

I've always believed that the FSB delays weren't incompetence but rather malfeasance.

 

And the state milking a cash cow.

 

perhaps that lawsuit should force revelations of the records of EXACTLY where THAT cash is going.

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They literally have NO excuse, THEY issued the CCL, so they know when it expires, and can anticipate THOSE loads upon their system literally years in advance.

No kidding. We were discussing if the ISP was making any changes and preparing for the massive volume of first renewals here at IC I'd guess at least 1 to 2 years ago.
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Any tie in to the shortened renewal dates? Wasn't that part of another bill the legislature passed?

Are you referring to the change that makes CCL renewal card expire dates 5 years from existing expire date instead of from the date the ISP processes it? JBP signed it 7/12 and the ISP has 6 months to implement.
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I applied for renewal of my Utah license on August 1. Had my new license in hand on August 12. Hardly cost anything. If I would have let it go 30 days past the expiration date, it only would have cost $7.50 extra. IL requires taking the training again if that happens. Good state vs. bad state. What a contrast.
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SAF CONSIDERING LAWSUIT TO FORCE FASTER CCL PROCESS IN ILLINOIS

 

BELLEVUE, WA The Second Amendment Foundation today revealed that it is considering legal action to force authorities in the State of Illinois to speed up the application and renewal process for concealed carry licenses, following a report by WMAQ in Chicago about the length of time citizens must wait for their licenses.

 

A right delayed is a right denied, said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. We are considering taking legal to end this abuse of process.

 

According to the report, it is taking from 120 to 140 days for the State Police to process license applications when it should be taking between 90 and 120 days. Currently, nearly 34,000 first-time and renewal CCL applications are being processed. The state has almost 301,000 CCL holders, and those who obtained their licenses in 2013, when the law first took effect, need to renew.

 

The Second Amendment Foundations successful lawsuit forced Illinois to pass their concealed carry license law, Gottlieb recalled. Now the slow process is discouraging people from exercising their rights.

 

The State Police Firearms Services Bureau reportedly has only five staffers designated to handle about 20,000 phone calls a week. Gottlieb said that is simply unacceptable in a state where revenue from CCL applications and renewals runs into the millions of dollars.

 

In neighboring Indiana, Gottlieb said after viewing the WMAQ report, authorities process licenses in less than 60 days and in Wisconsin, they do it in five days on the average.

This isnt about serving the public, he observed, its about discouraging the public. It doesnt take a degree in mathematics or economics to realize there is a growing demand for carry licenses, but the resources clearly are not being provided to meet that demand, and we think its deliberate.

 

This especially impacts gun owners in the Chicago area, where demand is the highest, Gottlieb stated. If the General Assembly and state police dont care to allocate the necessary resources to solve this problem, we may ask the courts to make them do it.

 

 

Good, I've been waiting since April for my renewal application to be approved

 

March 21, still waiting...

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What I dont see the reasoning behind is the time it takes for renewals. A CCL holder is background checked practically every day....what else is there to check???

Well...you've got 10s of thousands of apps and limited number of people processing them. So you just wind up in a pile until they get to your app. Pretty sure new and renewals use some additional databases i.e Federal that aren't used with the nightly checks. However, renewals do not have the LE objection period so that should be taking 30 days off the time.

 

Renewals should not take longer than new apps.

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What I dont see the reasoning behind is the time it takes for renewals. A CCL holder is background checked practically every day....what else is there to check???

Well...you've got 10s of thousands of apps and limited number of people processing them. So you just wind up in a pile until they get to your app. Pretty sure new and renewals use sone additional databases i.e Federal that aren't used with the nightly checks. However, renewals do not have the LE objection period so that should be taking 30 days off the time.

 

Renewals should not take longer than new apps.

 

 

Other states don't appear to have this huge backlog and delay problem.

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FOID CARDS are system checked daily.FCCL Original appl. is a full history back-ground check.FCCL Renewal appl. is a history check most current 5-years.Check / check /check / check....Delay /delay / delay / delay....Infringe / infringe /infringe / infringe !!!!!Illinois /Illinois / Illinois / Illinois !!!!!
Marsha, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha....

 

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What I dont see the reasoning behind is the time it takes for renewals. A CCL holder is background checked practically every day....what else is there to check???Well...you've got 10s of thousands of apps and limited number of people processing them. So you just wind up in a pile until they get to your app. Pretty sure new and renewals use some additional databases i.e Federal that aren't used with the nightly checks. However, renewals do not have the LE objection period so that should be taking 30 days off the time.

Renewals should not take longer than new apps.

• Nightly checks in other states are just to compare a list of CCL holders names to daily arrest records names. I'm not sure if it's the same in Illinois.

 

• When I last renewed my Utah permit I was in SLC. I walked into BCI without an appointment, took a number, waited to be called to the window, at the window told them what I was there for, made my payment, sat down and waited a few minutes longer, was called into the backroom, had my picture taken, chatted with the nice woman for about 2 minutes, was handed a new permit, and walked out the door. Total time was about 30 minutes.

 

It should be noted that Utah BCI operates on a net $0 profit for issuing permits. If the foresee a need for new equipment they ask the state to legislate an increase in fees. If they have a surplus of funds they ask the state to legislate a decrease if fees. We know Illinois is making money on the FCCL. They are profiting from a civil right. That's why the free is so high, and there's no justification in the law for the additional $150 nonresidents have to pay.

 

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I've been waiting since January, while I think it's BS, I have no "damages" since it's still valid and I'm getting free time.

Foid is expired for months as well, also still under review, it can stay that way for life as the licenses really should be.

 

People vote, that costs a lot more money, IF there's a license it should be free.

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  • 4 months later...

I applied for renewal of my Utah license on August 1. Had my new license in hand on August 12. Hardly cost anything. If I would have let it go 30 days past the expiration date, it only would have cost $7.50 extra. IL requires taking the training again if that happens. Good state vs. bad state. What a contrast.

 

My Utah license renewal came as quickly as yours as I recall. They sock you a whole $25.25 for 5 years if you renew on time, as I did. It costs that $7.25 extra for a renewal up to 1 year from expiration date. I guess if you apply for renewal over a year late you have to take the class again which is 3 or so hours as I recall. I took mine here in Illinois.

 

I'm not sure why this topic came up for me today. Has SAF filed a lawsuit against Illinois State Police?

 

I think legislators in Illinois want to discourage us from protecting ourselves with a handgun. They require a class to renew. Utah doesn't. They charge you the same for renewal as a new license. Utah renewal costs less than half the fee for the original LTC. Illinois as you said is a lot slower than Utah , Pa is even faster often the same day as you come in.

The only positive thing you can say about Illinois is they don't require prints and Utah does. It only costs $13 for the Utah prints though. Renewals don't require prints for Utah.

 

I got a letter the other day about Second Amendment Foundation membership. I've got to do that. It only costs $15 a year and they did help us get LTC in Illinois.

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I've mentioned this before, but this is a deliberate tactic of "management by interference" by the the state of Illinois to throw up as many impediments as possible for people to get and maintain the unconstitutional "permission slips" to own and carry (otherwise known as "keep and bear") firearms in this state. The intent is to discourage as many people as possible, whether through frustration, fear of accidentally running afoul of the law, or being so confused by the process that they just decide it is not worth the hassle.

 

Imagine if this was done with voting, or immigration, or abortion. Wouldn't the same people who are behind Illinois onerous scheme for firearm ownership and carrying be up in arms (figuratively, of course) and screaming foul at the top of their lungs if it the kind of strictures that gun owners here have to deal with were put in place for those things?

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WHY hasn’t any IL law firm with deep pockets started a Class Action lawsuit against IL for the obvious ( and easily winnable) case against IL for their infractions??

 

I would be willing to be plaintiff #1 and do have standing (as all IL CCL holders do) !!!!?

 

The problem is it's not that easy of a case right now in the State and lower Federal courts, many of these lower courts still refuse to accept the the 2nd is a 1st class right, we need the SCOTUS to white glove slap these lower courts, hopefully the NYSRPA case opens the floodgates to prevailing in these lower courts that are still reluctant to honor and treat the 2nd like other rights instead of treating it as some 2nd class right.

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According to the report, it is taking from 120 to 140 days for the State Police to process license applications when it should be taking between 90 and 120 days.

 

It should be taking no more than 9-12 minutes. Or SCOTUS gave the police what, 20 minutes for traffic stops? If the scheme they invent can't work within a reasonable time, it's not valid. It's unthinkable that they would treat drivers licenses or anything else this way.

 

Apply online, get approval number. Optional card arrives in the mail in a few days.

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Anyone whose instant check comes back instantly should be able to have an FOID or CCL renewed INSTANTLY.

 

The irony that you can get an instant approval to buy a firearm and have the firearm in your possession 72 hours, yet it takes them weeks/months to issue you a card that is essentially a permission slip to buy ammo and/or a reference number for police to run and see if you are prohibited or lawful person is not lost!

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If they sue the illegal misappropriation may be exposed publicly in court in fact the theives that are pocketing the money may find themselves in prison for public corruption.

The misappropriation is legal. The part that's bad for them is the optics of the misappropriation. Crying poor, no money to fund firearms services when that's patently false is the kind of thing that makes people who don't care about guns but do care about government effectiveness pay attention.

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