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#1 1Wolf

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 10:40 PM

Just checking...

 

Its been a long time since I've been downtown and I'm going to end up there tomorrow.

 

Am I correct in my understanding and reading of the 23 prohibited areas in that you cannot CCW walking around outside the museums (Not in the museums) or in the museum parking lots, or along the lakefront near the museums, or in grant park....all of those areas are prohibited...correct?

 

However, I can park in the museum lot and leave my firearm in the car (safe haven).

 

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 05:44 AM

I'm off the deep end here...

 

If you are going to visit places you cannot carry at, consider leaving your gun at home or consider not going.

 

At Midway Airport a month ago, a buddy of mine had his gun stolen from a lockbox cabled to his seat and completely hidden. He was only parked there for a few hours so he could take mass transit into the city. CPD was on the scene immediately and it only added an hour or so to his day, but someone has his gun...


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 08:01 AM

I'm off the deep end here...

 

If you are going to visit places you cannot carry at, consider leaving your gun at home or consider not going.

 

At Midway Airport a month ago, a buddy of mine had his gun stolen from a lockbox cabled to his seat and completely hidden. He was only parked there for a few hours so he could take mass transit into the city. CPD was on the scene immediately and it only added an hour or so to his day, but someone has his gun...

 

On the occasion when you have to visit a statutory prohibited place (such as a museum), it's still worth carrying.  While you do have to leave your firearm in the car, you are still protected for the trip there / trip back, and anywhere else you go that day.  If I have to go into the City of Chicago, I'd rather be protected for most of my trip than for none of it...

 

 

To the OP, the sections which pertain are:

Section 65. Prohibited areas.
(a) A licensee under this Act shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into:

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(13) Any public park, athletic area, or athletic facility under the control of a municipality or park district, provided nothing in this Section shall prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed firearm while on a trail or bikeway if only a portion of the trail or bikeway includes a public park.
(21) Any building, real property, or parking area under the control of a zoo or museum.

(b ) Notwithstanding subsections (a), (a-5), and (a-10) of this Section except under paragraph (22) or (23) of subsection (a), any licensee prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm into the parking area of a prohibited location specified in subsection (a), (a-5), or (a-10) of this Section shall be permitted to carry a concealed firearm on or about his or her person within a vehicle into the parking area and may store a firearm or ammunition concealed in a case within a locked vehicle or locked container out of plain view within the vehicle in the parking area. A licensee may carry a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding his or her vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within the vehicle's trunk. For purposes of this subsection, "case" includes a glove compartment or console that completely encloses the concealed firearm or ammunition, the trunk of the vehicle, or a firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container.

 

So, outside your car, you cannot carry in certain parts of the lakefront.  But it's not the entire lakefront which is prohibited, merely specific places.
 


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 11:49 AM

I'm off the deep end here...
 
If you are going to visit places you cannot carry at, consider leaving your gun at home or consider not going.
 
At Midway Airport a month ago, a buddy of mine had his gun stolen from a lockbox cabled to his seat and completely hidden. He was only parked there for a few hours so he could take mass transit into the city. CPD was on the scene immediately and it only added an hour or so to his day, but someone has his gun...

So you just skipped reading the entire thread where carjackings in Chicago are up 44% year-over-year? And something on the order of 100% the previous year? Nope...don't see any reason one would want a gun on their commute to or from the museum campus...

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 12:14 PM

 

 

On the occasion when you have to visit a statutory prohibited place (such as a museum), it's still worth carrying.  While you do have to leave your firearm in the car, you are still protected for the trip there / trip back, and anywhere else you go that day.  If I have to go into the City of Chicago, I'd rather be protected for most of my trip than for none of it...

 

 

 

Agree 100%.



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 01:39 PM

Thanks for the advice and info :)  Thanks especially to xwing for going to the trouble to copy & paste that information for me.  Thank you!

 

Regardless of whether I can carry on the museum campuses or the lakefront, I'd always prefer to carry in my car anyway.  It seems to me that if something were to happen that would put my life or my family's life in danger....there is a good chance it would happen on the road, in traffic anyway.


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Posted 16 September 2018 - 11:31 AM

I haven't seen and car or truck yet you couldn't pop or pull something on and off and really conceal a handgun. 

Out of sight even when someone's in you vehicle just can't be beat, they aren't doing a deep search of your vehicle... 

Mine is concealed utilizing a child proof cabinet safety magnet release, with optional lock off switch built into my truck. 

(to hold on something you now can't pop off when locked)

I leave the magnet stuck under my dash in quick easy reach.  I've used the same technique in a car. 

If nothing else if you do have a keypad access, google where they have the number actually in the car getting to that might also lead to clues for where. 


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:15 PM

I haven't seen and car or truck yet you couldn't pop or pull something on and off and really conceal a handgun. 
Out of sight even when someone's in you vehicle just can't be beat, they aren't doing a deep search of your vehicle... 
Mine is concealed utilizing a child proof cabinet safety magnet release, with optional lock off switch built into my truck. 
(to hold on something you now can't pop off when locked)
I leave the magnet stuck under my dash in quick easy reach.  I've used the same technique in a car. 
If nothing else if you do have a keypad access, google where they have the number actually in the car getting to that might also lead to clues for where.


That sounds interesting. Can you give me more info on how you store your gun in your car, maybe pictures?

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:32 AM

 

I'm off the deep end here...

 

If you are going to visit places you cannot carry at, consider leaving your gun at home or consider not going.

 

At Midway Airport a month ago, a buddy of mine had his gun stolen from a lockbox cabled to his seat and completely hidden. He was only parked there for a few hours so he could take mass transit into the city. CPD was on the scene immediately and it only added an hour or so to his day, but someone has his gun...

 

On the occasion when you have to visit a statutory prohibited place (such as a museum), it's still worth carrying.  While you do have to leave your firearm in the car, you are still protected for the trip there / trip back, and anywhere else you go that day.  If I have to go into the City of Chicago, I'd rather be protected for most of my trip than for none of it...

 

This is assuming your gun is not stolen out of your vehicle while parked at a GFZ. 

 

When I was working in the loop in a building that was clearly posted and riding Metra both ways I purposely left my carry at home rather than leave it in my car at the Metra station because car break ins were not uncommon in Metra lots and the thought of my gun being stolen and used to shoot someone bothered me.


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 12:51 PM

 

 

On the occasion when you have to visit a statutory prohibited place (such as a museum), it's still worth carrying.  While you do have to leave your firearm in the car, you are still protected for the trip there / trip back, and anywhere else you go that day.  If I have to go into the City of Chicago, I'd rather be protected for most of my trip than for none of it...

 

This is assuming your gun is not stolen out of your vehicle while parked at a GFZ. 

 

When I was working in the loop in a building that was clearly posted and riding Metra both ways I purposely left my carry at home rather than leave it in my car at the Metra station because car break ins were not uncommon in Metra lots and the thought of my gun being stolen and used to shoot someone bothered me.

 

 

Well, you'd still be protected for the 1st part of the day. :D  But anytime you leave something of value in your vehicle, you take some risk.  (Of course you take risk leaving it in your house too.)  It's about balancing the risks in the manner that makes the most sense to you.  I generally don't bother to carry when I take Metra either, b/c my drive from house--> train station is so short.  But if I drive downtown, I certainly will carry anywhere I legally can, even if it means leaving the gun in the car at some point.


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Posted 14 October 2018 - 09:28 PM

What I hate is that I prefer traveling into the city by train when doing touristy stuff. I'd rather not have to deal with traffic coming into and out of city and would much rather just park at a suburban train station. Unfortunately, that means I have to choose to go unarmed because I will never have a place to safely stow my sidearm.



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Posted 15 October 2018 - 08:28 AM

It seems that the very places in Chicago where you cannot legally be armed are the same places where you are most likely to need a firearm. Knowing how easy it is to break into a locked vehicle, I never leave a gun in my car. Maybe if I had a heavy steel case that could be welded to the frame of the vehicle, then I would only have to worry about the entire vehicle being stolen. But personally, I feel much more secure keeping the gun HIDDEN on my person, and mostly avoiding going to anywhere where it is illegal to do so. 


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Posted 16 October 2018 - 11:19 AM

I'm off the deep end here...

 

If you are going to visit places you cannot carry at, consider leaving your gun at home or consider not going.

 

At Midway Airport a month ago, a buddy of mine had his gun stolen from a lockbox cabled to his seat and completely hidden. He was only parked there for a few hours so he could take mass transit into the city. CPD was on the scene immediately and it only added an hour or so to his day, but someone has his gun...

We should keep track of these and have a counter for illegal guns added to the streets due to Dem stupidity.

I sure this is not the first.


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Posted 16 October 2018 - 12:19 PM

Leaving my firearm in my vehicle in the suburbs is no big deal as there aren't many thefts in broad daylight while I run into a place quick.  If I have to go downtown and drive that is a different story.  If I do go, i prefer to take my Jeep and use this under the seat lockbox: https://www.quadrate...040_0001_07.htm

 

Basically you would need an 18mm socket and maybe a breaker bar (I really put it in tight) to get it out.  Not to say that it can't be done I think that someone wouldn't want to invest that much time into it.


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Posted 16 October 2018 - 02:39 PM

Ive got one of these Ive used a few times for a short absence (not in the city of Chicago). ok, but it needs a bit of DIY to beef up the cable.

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 02:52 PM

Ive got one of these Ive used a few times for a short absence (not in the city of Chicago). ok, but it needs a bit of DIY to beef up the cable.

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I use a similar product with the same type of cable.  Notice in comment #2 that someone at Midway airport cut the cable and stole the box and gun.  

Just a reminder that almost any form of security can be breached.  For now I will still stay with the same system.  



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Posted 17 October 2018 - 05:31 AM

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 07:47 AM

Ive got one of these Ive used a few times for a short absence (not in the city of Chicago). ok, but it needs a bit of DIY to beef up the cable.

I use a similar product with the same type of cable.  Notice in comment #2 that someone at Midway airport cut the cable and stole the box and gun.  
Just a reminder that almost any form of security can be breached.  For now I will still stay with the same system.
Yes, the cable is the weak point. IIRC, there are a couple of archived threads where people were beefing up or replacing the cables with chains and such on their portable safes.

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Posted 27 October 2018 - 06:42 PM

Can you not foid carry on metra and in the parks?

What I hate is that I prefer traveling into the city by train when doing touristy stuff. I'd rather not have to deal with traffic coming into and out of city and would much rather just park at a suburban train station. Unfortunately, that means I have to choose to go unarmed because I will never have a place to safely stow my sidearm.


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Posted 27 October 2018 - 08:42 PM

Can you not foid carry on metra and in the parks?

 

What I hate is that I prefer traveling into the city by train when doing touristy stuff. I'd rather not have to deal with traffic coming into and out of city and would much rather just park at a suburban train station. Unfortunately, that means I have to choose to go unarmed because I will never have a place to safely stow my sidearm.

 

 

(720 ILCS 5/21-6) (from Ch. 38, par. 21-6)
    Sec. 21-6. Unauthorized Possession or Storage of Weapons.
    (a) Whoever possesses or stores any weapon enumerated in Section 33A-1 in any building or on land supported in whole or in part with public funds or in any building on such land without prior written permission from the chief security officer for such land or building commits a Class A misdemeanor.
    (B) The chief security officer must grant any reasonable request for permission under paragraph (a).
(Source: P.A. 89-685, eff. 6-1-97.)



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Posted 02 November 2018 - 07:45 PM

Virtually anywhere you would be walking along the lakefront, the museum campus or Grant Park is a public right-of-way so is exempt. The lakefront bike path extends beyond the park on both the north and south ends so is doubly exempt. 



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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:57 PM

Everyone crying out gun theft. Hide it out of sight and carry a cheap gun that you dont mind losing. Jeezus

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 11:09 AM

Everyone crying out gun theft. Hide it out of sight and carry a cheap gun that you dont mind losing. Jeezus

That's not the point.  The concern is when YOUR gun is used to injure or kill someone.  That may not bother you, but it would bother me.


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 11:57 AM

Unless I was truly negligent in how I stored or hit a firearm, and it was stolen and later used in a crime, I would feel no sense of responsibility at all. I keep my primary home defense gun in a GunVault secured inside a piece of furniture. That makes sure my grandkids do not have any way to get to it and hurt themselves or others. But a burglar with a good crowbar could break the whole thing free and run off with it. Should that ever occur and the gun be later used I will be angry at the loss of my gun but that's about it. I am not, and will not feel, responsible for the criminal acts of others. 

 

If it comes down to leaving my gun in my vehicle, or considering carrying it concealed regardless of Postings, I would likely come down on the side of carrying concealed. 


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