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#1 steveTA84

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 09:52 AM

209 pages of stuff. Just some previews

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 09:53 AM

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There’s a lot here, I gotta save it offline because only allowed 10 accesses of the files before it locks it looks like

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 09:59 AM

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Gonna upload it to Dropbox so it can be viewed

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:03 AM

Entire file


https://www.dropbox....ted-LW.pdf?dl=0

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:28 AM

Thank you!


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:44 AM

Thank you!


Hopefully it proves useful

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:19 AM

Reading through it will take a bit!!


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:36 AM

Reading through it will take a bit!!


Starting on page 55 will save lots of time lol

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:42 AM

 

Thank you!


Hopefully it proves useful

 

THANKS

 

Now on to reading this thing.



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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:56 AM

Thank you!


Hopefully it proves useful
THANKS
 
Now on to reading this thing.

Yes, thanks for getting this. I look forward to setting aside some time for review but I anticipate it to generate more questions than answers.
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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:22 PM

Looking through this a bit at a time. I noticed the label is FSB Reference Manual 1 of 2 redacted...Is there a manual 2 included later in this? I did not see it on a quick scan.
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Posted 23 June 2019 - 02:45 AM

^^^^

That’s all that was provided

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 07:58 AM

^^^^
Thats all that was provided

Thanks.
First scan through did raise more questions. Thinking of how to best compose and perhaps submit in the hopes of more data.

Some initial read thoughts/observations/impressions:

They talk much of QA and QC, providing high quality in a timely manner and frequent audits. I wonder what discussions are occuring given the current state.

It indicates LE objection window is in first 30 days after app submission yet we hear from Molly it can occur anytime after the BG check complete.

Apps, e-mail and other data are sorted into 5 or 6 different in-boxes. I wonder how those are worked as little on the actual makeup of the FSB was discussed.

The Appriss (software subcontractor) system is mentioned but I cant tell if it is as large a part of the process as I previously thought.

Apoarently the Firearm Analyst Technician does a lot more external searching, contacting external entities, reviewing judge notes, local court sites, etc than I expected. However if none of those flags come back on initial database inquiries, I still dont see the 90/120+ day thing and how long it should take for someone with no indicators as it seems it should be much less...are they just sitting in a wait queue most of that time?

It was interesting to see what was necessary to move to the QC verified status. But no discussion on the other sub status we know exists.

Likewise good to see the rules for matching data to the SOS office. Now we can confirm a DO NOT DENY for hair color and weight variations and when name/address subtle differences should be allowed.

There is a dedicated call center department. New hires have a 9 week rotation spending 1 to 2 weeks in each department.

They do keep FTIP history and provide that data to requesting LE. Supposedly under certain conditions/investigations otherwise the requests are denied.

Edited by InterestedBystander, 23 June 2019 - 11:19 AM.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 08:41 AM

^^^

It also looks like IL has had a hush hush red flag law in place for years

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 10:52 AM

I missed this part. Part 2 (it wasn’t the manual). These are the outside vendors involved in FOID/CCL

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 11:26 AM

I missed this part. Part 2 (it wasn’t the manual). These are the outside vendors involved in FOID/CCL uS91QRG.jpg


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Posted 23 June 2019 - 11:34 AM

JetPay = credit card processing

IdentiSys = Card printing...printing equipment and software. I always assumed printing was all done inhouse and not outsourced but now I kind of wonder

Appriss is a known software vendor having done CCL applications in other states. Still seems crazy to me though that ISP let the domain name be registered to Appriss leaving them with no control should things go sour.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 11:37 AM

^^^
Thanks for digging :)

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 11:22 PM

Pointed out in another forum

The PDF document dump shows potential for additional FOIA research. Page 92 mentions Findings Information Reports (FIR) as being created for individuals being wrongly denied, revoked, or approved; or revoked or denied for the wrong reason. They can redact the personal information, but it might be interesting to know how many times this happens and why. If they follow their process on the next page, they'll have already done that, by generating Quality Issue Reports (QIR). The FIRs and QIRs are required to be documents on a shared drive, so they ought to at least be able to count them quickly. An abundance of FIRs and/or a smaller number of open QIRs (they're required to be reviewed and closed) referencing FIRs (because QIRs are also used for other noncompliances) for wrongful revocation/denial might help the case against the FOID. We could also check out the training audits and corrective action plans mentioned on page 203, but the FIRs and QIRs referencing FIRs are the most interesting thing I found.


I think hes on to something

Edited by steveTA84, 24 June 2019 - 11:23 PM.





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