Molly B. Posted August 18, 2018 at 09:29 PM Share Posted August 18, 2018 at 09:29 PM IllinoisCarry member defends his life with CC firearm This happened back in February of this year. Names and location not included in order to protect the innocent. An IllinoisCarry member had been shoveling snow and his next door neighbor, who had a reputation for causing disturbances in the neighborhood, was yelling at him about some nonsense. Our guy told the neighbor to just leave him alone and went back into his own house. The neighbor had threatened to ‘kill’ him in the past but police said the man can say anything he wants and nothing had come of it before. Later our guy decided to get pizza and on his way out the door his wife reminded him to take his CC firearm, “just in case”. He was just going from point A to point B and hesitated about taking it, then decided to take it. He and his wife just got off the porch when the neighbor started yelling at him again and coming at him with a shovel. Our guy turned his back on the neighbor to grab his own shovel to fend him off and when he turned back around, the guy had drawn a handgun and proceeded to fire at close range at our victim’s head. He felt the powder hit his face and fired back. He wounded the attacker in the hand who then disengaged, ran and hid his gun in his garage. Our victim called the police. There was video from security cameras that showed the whole encounter and it was clear that the neighbor was the aggressor. Police reviewed the videos and released our victim. Victim’s handgun was kept for evidence. Attacker was charged with attempted murder and aggravated discharge of a firearm. He was released on 100k bond and he posted 2 days after the incident. Our victim had to seek an order of protection against the attacker’s wife who continued to make threats. The victim has since sold his home and moved out of the neighborhood. This story did not make local news. It was clearly a case where a concealed carry person saved his own life with a gun. The case is still awaiting trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrift Posted August 18, 2018 at 09:53 PM Share Posted August 18, 2018 at 09:53 PM This is why there's no "just in case" for me. If I'm wearing pants, I carry. If I'm at home, it's open carried. If I plan on going out in public, it's concealed. I would hope the defender would do the same now. On a side note, the defender's firearm was taken for evidence. Was it given back after the defender was released, or is it stuck in evidence until trial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted August 18, 2018 at 09:55 PM Share Posted August 18, 2018 at 09:55 PM Just curious Molly , can you say if this happened upstate , downstate , or central Illinois? Thanks for sharing this. Sure am glad the I C member came out on top. One never knows when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted August 18, 2018 at 10:16 PM Share Posted August 18, 2018 at 10:16 PM Has to be upstate, we didn't have enough snow downstate last year to shovel anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted August 18, 2018 at 10:17 PM Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 at 10:17 PM Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted August 18, 2018 at 10:53 PM Share Posted August 18, 2018 at 10:53 PM My guess is that it wasn't in Chicago because we have this thing called "dibs" to prevent this sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted August 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM Share Posted August 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM This was easy to find using Google. I just used search terms like February, 2018, snow, shovel, etc. Interestingly e ough, there is video and after watching I can understand why shots may have needed to be fired... https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/02/09/video-dinosaur-spotted-shoveling-snow/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted August 18, 2018 at 11:02 PM Share Posted August 18, 2018 at 11:02 PM https://facebook.com/kristina.cruz/videos/10100140536581716/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted August 18, 2018 at 11:22 PM Share Posted August 18, 2018 at 11:22 PM ... The neighbor had threatened to ‘kill’ him in the past but police said the man can say anything he wants and nothing had come of it before. Later our guy decided to get pizza and on his way out the door his wife reminded him to take his CC firearm, "just in case".... The FBI released A Study of the Pre-Attack Behaviors of Active Shooters in the United States Between 2000 and 2013 in June 2018. Excerpts and summary below. ... 40 of 63 targeted specific individuals. 17 of 40 shot only the targeted individuals. 22 of 40 threatened their targets prior to the event. 21 of the 22 issued their threats verbally face-to-face. The other 23 of 63 exclusively shot random individuals. ... I've seen the statistics discussed (... misinterpreted ...) elsewhere. The thing to understand from the above is that you cannot count on someone threatening to kill you before they shoot at you (22 of 40 is only slightly more than half the time), but if they threaten to kill you, they will probably try (21 of 22 is nearly always). An "active shooter" isn't the same as a loony neighbor, but a threat is a threat. Also, think about car accidents. Most happen within 10 miles of home, because that's where we spend most of our time. I think getting shot would be the same. Forget about taking your gun "just" to get pizza. Take your gun even when you get the mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomG Posted August 18, 2018 at 11:53 PM Share Posted August 18, 2018 at 11:53 PM On a side note, the defender's firearm was taken for evidence. Was it given back after the defender was released, or is it stuck in evidence until trial?This is one reason I have multiple CCW. The main reason is I just like having and shooting different kinds of guns. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmHand357 Posted August 19, 2018 at 12:10 AM Share Posted August 19, 2018 at 12:10 AM Wow, much appreciation for this info, Molly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted August 19, 2018 at 12:56 AM Share Posted August 19, 2018 at 12:56 AM This is why there's no "just in case" for me. If I'm wearing pants, I carry. If I'm at home, it's open carried. If I plan on going out in public, it's concealed. I would hope the defender would do the same now. On a side note, the defender's firearm was taken for evidence. Was it given back after the defender was released, or is it stuck in evidence until trial? I would guess the firearm will be kept as evidence until the case has been settled either by trial or pleading out. After that it should be returned but he might have to fight to get it. This is a perfect example why you should have identical set up back up weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted August 19, 2018 at 03:01 AM Share Posted August 19, 2018 at 03:01 AM This is why I carry almost every moment of every day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted August 19, 2018 at 01:07 PM Share Posted August 19, 2018 at 01:07 PM If I had a neighbors like that I would don the body armor for the first time in 20 years. Then start a property search for a new castle. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearwidnezz Posted August 19, 2018 at 05:43 PM Share Posted August 19, 2018 at 05:43 PM Its a shame that he now has to procure a new carry weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windermere Posted August 19, 2018 at 05:48 PM Share Posted August 19, 2018 at 05:48 PM Thanks for sharing. Glad our guy is ok! A good reminder to always carry no matter how short or quick the trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo.ulrich Posted August 19, 2018 at 07:50 PM Share Posted August 19, 2018 at 07:50 PM would it be possible to set up a section in forums for these type of articles ? kind of like the armed citizen in N.R.A. magazines. then people could follow cases to see the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted August 19, 2018 at 08:29 PM Share Posted August 19, 2018 at 08:29 PM The neighbor had threatened to ‘kill’ him in the past but police said the man can say anything he wants and nothing had come of it before. Hmm. That's troubling to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted August 19, 2018 at 09:33 PM Share Posted August 19, 2018 at 09:33 PM Thanks Molly for posting,Had not heard of this encounter, but sure glad our guy did what needed to be done.Had his weapon - had the will to use it - good outcome for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted August 19, 2018 at 11:36 PM Share Posted August 19, 2018 at 11:36 PM I'm curious if our guy had an insurance product like USCCA or CCW Safe, and if he took advantage of this service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted August 20, 2018 at 01:49 AM Share Posted August 20, 2018 at 01:49 AM The neighbor had threatened to ‘kill’ him in the past but police said the man can say anything he wants and nothing had come of it before. Hmm. That's troubling to me.Would have thought an assault could be verbal, but I suppose if there were no witnesses or caught on a recording actions were limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted August 20, 2018 at 06:41 PM Share Posted August 20, 2018 at 06:41 PM If I had a neighbors like that I would don the body armor for the first time in 20 years. Then start a property search for a new castle. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk IIRC, body armor is illegal in this state. Please correct me if I am wrong. Not yet, and probably not for the remainder of this session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted August 20, 2018 at 06:42 PM Share Posted August 20, 2018 at 06:42 PM If I had a neighbors like that I would don the body armor for the first time in 20 years. Then start a property search for a new castle. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk IIRC, body armor is illegal in this state. Please correct me if I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted August 20, 2018 at 07:06 PM Share Posted August 20, 2018 at 07:06 PM If I had a neighbors like that I would don the body armor for the first time in 20 years. Then start a property search for a new castle. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk IIRC, body armor is illegal in this state. Please correct me if I am wrong.Not yet, and probably not for the remainder of this session.Ban was passed in Chicago but they chose to delay enforcement hoping something was going to pass at the state level. HB1469 has gone back to rules committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted August 20, 2018 at 07:40 PM Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 at 07:40 PM I'm curious if our guy had an insurance product like USCCA or CCW Safe, and if he took advantage of this service? No, he did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted August 20, 2018 at 09:53 PM Share Posted August 20, 2018 at 09:53 PM Thank you for sharing. It's a shame that these incidents (where the good guy with the gun saves his life and / or others) are ignored by the media and rarely reported on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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