vito Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:06 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:06 PM Yesterday I went to the AAA office in Rockford to pick up some paper maps of several states. The door to the AAA office is not posted (I looked quite carefully) so I entered with my concealed firearm with me. But about 30 feet from the door I entered is another door, primarily for the part of AAA that sells auto insurance, life insurance, etc. but it is all one big open office once you enter the door. And that second door is clearly Posted. So it appears that if you enter where I did, for travel info, you can carry your concealed gun, but if you happen to enter through the second door you cannot legally be carrying concealed. Reminds me of Cherryvale Mall in Rockford where I usually enter through Macy's or Barnes and Noble, neither of which are Posted, but should I want to enter the mall directly rather than through a store, the doors are Posted. Seems pretty stupid to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:21 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:21 PM Now that you put it out there for everyone to see - AAA may post on front door !! You've also just lost all credible defense to not "knowingly" should you carry in the Cherryvale Mall even if you enter through a non-posted entrance. Some things are better left unsaid and unposted on internet sites ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:21 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:21 PM I saw a 30.06 sign, way above my head, at the entrance to a taqueria in Elgin before the council meeting the other night. But I don't think there were any Rangers within 1000 miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigcelia Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:22 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:22 PM Yep! Same at Stratford Square Mall. You will never catch me on camera entering the mall at the main doors (posted). I always enter at the outlet stores (not posted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigcelia Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:26 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:26 PM You've also just lost all credible defense to not "knowingly" should you carry in the Cherryvale Mall even if you enter through a non-posted entrance. Remember what the law says..... Signs stating that the carrying of firearms is prohibited shall be clearly and conspicuously posted at the entrance of a building May be debatable but he isn't breaking the law, in my opinion, and neither am I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee n. field Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:27 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:27 PM Yesterday I went to the AAA office in Rockford to pick up some paper maps of several states. The door to the AAA office is not posted (I looked quite carefully) so I entered with my concealed firearm with me. But about 30 feet from the door I entered is another door, primarily for the part of AAA that sells auto insurance, life insurance, etc. but it is all one big open office once you enter the door. And that second door is clearly Posted. So it appears that if you enter where I did, for travel info, you can carry your concealed gun, but if you happen to enter through the second door you cannot legally be carrying concealed. Reminds me of Cherryvale Mall in Rockford where I usually enter through Macy's or Barnes and Noble, neither of which are Posted, but should I want to enter the mall directly rather than through a store, the doors are Posted. Seems pretty stupid to me. The building where my church rents a space is similar. There's an insurance office in there. The insurance office's one outside door is posted. Their inside door (from inside the building) is not. Used to be the whole building was posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee n. field Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:29 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 02:29 PM I saw a 30.06 sign, way above my head, at the entrance to a taqueria in Elgin before the council meeting the other night. trespass-handgun-prohibited-bilingual-sign-k2-0254.png But I don't think there were any Rangers within 1000 miles. And my Dad's church is posted with what at first glance looks like an IL compliant gunbuster. But, the verbiage references "ARS something something something". ARS == Arizona Revised Statutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomG Posted May 12, 2017 at 06:24 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 06:24 PM I've been carrying almost daily since March 7, 2014. NEVER has anyone mentioned that they can see my gun...Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted May 12, 2017 at 06:30 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 06:30 PM I've been carrying almost daily since March 7, 2014. NEVER has anyone mentioned that they can see my gun...Just saying.But of course, you're not advocating that anyone break the law or anything like that. Because that would be a violation of the Code of Conduct for this site, to which you agreed when you registered. But you knew that already, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted May 12, 2017 at 06:46 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 06:46 PM Must have been an Obamacare sign up location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted May 12, 2017 at 07:15 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 07:15 PM Sounds like exactly the situation we want as a concealed carriers, why complain or bring any attention to it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted May 12, 2017 at 07:32 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 07:32 PM I see a lot of haphazardly posted locations all the time. My local library has the sign on the inside of darkly tinted glass off to the side of the entrance door. Being local government property, we should know not to carry there, but still. I read the law. It does say that "part of a building" may be prohibited. I'm not sure how that's done if the required posting location is at the entrance of the building. We really need to have either one of two things happen: 1) Remove the legal penalties for violating a GFZ. In the unlikely event that you're spotted carrying in a posted location, the only recourse the property owner would have is to ask you to put your weapon outside in your vehicle or leave. If the police get involved, all they can do is remove you or charge you with trespassing. 2) Enact penalties for property owners who do not post properly. Make the penalties equal to those we now face for violating the GFZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted May 12, 2017 at 07:33 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 07:33 PM Double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted May 12, 2017 at 08:35 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 08:35 PM I see a lot of haphazardly posted locations all the time. My local library has the sign on the inside of darkly tinted glass off to the side of the entrance door. Being local government property, we should know not to carry there, but still.I read the law. It does say that "part of a building" may be prohibited. I'm not sure how that's done if the required posting location is at the entrance of the building. We really need to have either one of two things happen: 1) Remove the legal penalties for violating a GFZ. In the unlikely event that you're spotted carrying in a posted location, the only recourse the property owner would have is to ask you to put your weapon outside in your vehicle or leave. If the police get involved, all they can do is remove you or charge you with trespassing. 2) Enact penalties for property owners who do not post properly. Make the penalties equal to those we now face for violating the GFZ. You don't need to deduce that it is local government property to know it is prohibited. 430 ILCS 66/65 specifically calls out public libraries. Building under the control of a local unit of government is a separate prohibited place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 12, 2017 at 08:56 PM Share Posted May 12, 2017 at 08:56 PM The last AAA I went in was posted, but I didnt think clearly. Sign was at the bottom third of door iirc, but the real problem was it was a transparent sticker, kind of like Jewel briefly used, but the text was black so not a lot of contrast on a glass door and very easy to miss and hard to read even when close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadyRunner Posted May 13, 2017 at 08:14 PM Share Posted May 13, 2017 at 08:14 PM Remember what the law says..... Signs stating that the carrying of firearms is prohibited shall be clearly and conspicuously posted at the entrance of a building May be debatable but he isn't breaking the law, in my opinion, and neither am I. It's a shame it does not say 'All entrances' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oohrah Posted May 14, 2017 at 02:06 AM Share Posted May 14, 2017 at 02:06 AM I saw a 30.06 sign, way above my head, at the entrance to a taqueria in Elgin before the council meeting the other night. trespass-handgun-prohibited-bilingual-sign-k2-0254.png But I don't think there were any Rangers within 1000 miles.That's really funny - this the Texas Penal Code paragraph 30.06 that specifies the exact sign that must be posted by privately owned places to prohibit concealed carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 14, 2017 at 04:55 AM Share Posted May 14, 2017 at 04:55 AM I did a double-take.I know what a 30.06 sign looks like in its native habitat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted May 15, 2017 at 03:03 PM Share Posted May 15, 2017 at 03:03 PM I saw a 30.06 sign, way above my head, at the entrance to a taqueria in Elgin before the council meeting the other night. trespass-handgun-prohibited-bilingual-sign-k2-0254.png But I don't think there were any Rangers within 1000 miles.I would have probably ignored that sign since it doesn't even come close to resembling an official GFZ sign which is what my wife and I do watch for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted May 16, 2017 at 03:20 AM Share Posted May 16, 2017 at 03:20 AM Shortly after the concealed law was passed, one of the local grocers posted their two stores in this area. Unfortunately, they posted them at the upper left corners of the inner doors and they are slightly tinted, making the hard to see, esp. when the doors swung open. I talked to the manager (who was not happy at having to put the signs up as he is also a gun owner) about the law, the fact that none of the other grocers in this area were posted, and the non-compliance of his sign.The next week, they had moved the sign to the stationary panel between the outer pair of doors and about 4' off the ground. I reminded the manager that, with none of their competitors posting, customers would be inclined to take their business elsewhere. One week later, the signs were gone. When asked, the manager said the company realized that none of their stores in other states (esp. MO) had ever been posted and they had not had any problems there. So they dropped the signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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