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Yesterday I went to the AAA office in Rockford to pick up some paper maps of several states. The door to the AAA office is not posted (I looked quite carefully) so I entered with my concealed firearm with me. But about 30 feet from the door I entered is another door, primarily for the part of AAA that sells auto insurance, life insurance, etc. but it is all one big open office once you enter the door. And that second door is clearly Posted. So it appears that if you enter where I did, for travel info, you can carry your concealed gun, but if you happen to enter through the second door you cannot legally be carrying concealed. Reminds me of Cherryvale Mall in Rockford where I usually enter through Macy's or Barnes and Noble, neither of which are Posted, but should I want to enter the mall directly rather than through a store, the doors are Posted. Seems pretty stupid to me.

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You've also just lost all credible defense to not "knowingly" should you carry in the Cherryvale Mall even if you enter through a non-posted entrance.

 

Remember what the law says.....

 

Signs stating that the carrying of firearms is prohibited shall be clearly and conspicuously posted at the entrance of a building

 

May be debatable but he isn't breaking the law, in my opinion, and neither am I.

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Yesterday I went to the AAA office in Rockford to pick up some paper maps of several states. The door to the AAA office is not posted (I looked quite carefully) so I entered with my concealed firearm with me. But about 30 feet from the door I entered is another door, primarily for the part of AAA that sells auto insurance, life insurance, etc. but it is all one big open office once you enter the door. And that second door is clearly Posted. So it appears that if you enter where I did, for travel info, you can carry your concealed gun, but if you happen to enter through the second door you cannot legally be carrying concealed. Reminds me of Cherryvale Mall in Rockford where I usually enter through Macy's or Barnes and Noble, neither of which are Posted, but should I want to enter the mall directly rather than through a store, the doors are Posted. Seems pretty stupid to me.

 

The building where my church rents a space is similar. There's an insurance office in there. The insurance office's one outside door is posted. Their inside door (from inside the building) is not.

 

Used to be the whole building was posted.

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I saw a 30.06 sign, way above my head, at the entrance to a taqueria in Elgin before the council meeting the other night.

 

 

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But I don't think there were any Rangers within 1000 miles.

 

And my Dad's church is posted with what at first glance looks like an IL compliant gunbuster. But, the verbiage references "ARS something something something". ARS == Arizona Revised Statutes.

 

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I've been carrying almost daily since March 7, 2014. NEVER has anyone mentioned that they can see my gun...Just saying.

But of course, you're not advocating that anyone break the law or anything like that. Because that would be a violation of the Code of Conduct for this site, to which you agreed when you registered. But you knew that already, I'm sure.

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I see a lot of haphazardly posted locations all the time. My local library has the sign on the inside of darkly tinted glass off to the side of the entrance door. Being local government property, we should know not to carry there, but still.


I read the law. It does say that "part of a building" may be prohibited. I'm not sure how that's done if the required posting location is at the entrance of the building.



We really need to have either one of two things happen:



1) Remove the legal penalties for violating a GFZ. In the unlikely event that you're spotted carrying in a posted location, the only recourse the property owner would have is to ask you to put your weapon outside in your vehicle or leave. If the police get involved, all they can do is remove you or charge you with trespassing.



2) Enact penalties for property owners who do not post properly. Make the penalties equal to those we now face for violating the GFZ.


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I see a lot of haphazardly posted locations all the time. My local library has the sign on the inside of darkly tinted glass off to the side of the entrance door. Being local government property, we should know not to carry there, but still.

I read the law. It does say that "part of a building" may be prohibited. I'm not sure how that's done if the required posting location is at the entrance of the building.

We really need to have either one of two things happen:

1) Remove the legal penalties for violating a GFZ. In the unlikely event that you're spotted carrying in a posted location, the only recourse the property owner would have is to ask you to put your weapon outside in your vehicle or leave. If the police get involved, all they can do is remove you or charge you with trespassing.

2) Enact penalties for property owners who do not post properly. Make the penalties equal to those we now face for violating the GFZ.

 

You don't need to deduce that it is local government property to know it is prohibited. 430 ILCS 66/65 specifically calls out public libraries. Building under the control of a local unit of government is a separate prohibited place.

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The last AAA I went in was posted, but I didnt think clearly. Sign was at the bottom third of door iirc, but the real problem was it was a transparent sticker, kind of like Jewel briefly used, but the text was black so not a lot of contrast on a glass door and very easy to miss and hard to read even when close.
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I saw a 30.06 sign, way above my head, at the entrance to a taqueria in Elgin before the council meeting the other night.

 

 

attachicon.giftrespass-handgun-prohibited-bilingual-sign-k2-0254.png

 

But I don't think there were any Rangers within 1000 miles.

That's really funny - this the Texas Penal Code paragraph 30.06 that specifies the exact sign that must be posted by privately owned places to prohibit concealed carry.
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I saw a 30.06 sign, way above my head, at the entrance to a taqueria in Elgin before the council meeting the other night.

 

 

attachicon.giftrespass-handgun-prohibited-bilingual-sign-k2-0254.png

 

But I don't think there were any Rangers within 1000 miles.

I would have probably ignored that sign since it doesn't even come close to resembling an official GFZ sign which is what my wife and I do watch for.

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Shortly after the concealed law was passed, one of the local grocers posted their two stores in this area. Unfortunately, they posted them at the upper left corners of the inner doors and they are slightly tinted, making the hard to see, esp. when the doors swung open. :huh:

I talked to the manager (who was not happy at having to put the signs up as he is also a gun owner) about the law, the fact that none of the other grocers in this area were posted, and the non-compliance of his sign.

The next week, they had moved the sign to the stationary panel between the outer pair of doors and about 4' off the ground. I reminded the manager that, with none of their competitors posting, customers would be inclined to take their business elsewhere. :getlost:

One week later, the signs were gone. :o

When asked, the manager said the company realized that none of their stores in other states (esp. MO) had ever been posted and they had not had any problems there. So they dropped the signs. :D

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