mauserme Posted October 16, 2017 at 07:04 PM Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 07:04 PM Two new bills were filed today: HB4115 Explosives Pre-Packaged appears to build on the theme proposed under SB315, which the Governor vetoed: Synopsis As Introduced Amends the Illinois Explosives Act. Provides that the definition of "explosive" includes pre-packaged explosive components. Defines "pre-packaged explosive components". Provides that it is not a violation of the Act for an individual to use, purchase, possess, dispose, or transfer pre-packaged explosive components if the individual has applied for a license under the Act within 90 days after the effective date of the amendatory Act, unless the application has been denied by the Department of Natural Resources. Effective immediately. and HB4117 Trigger Mod, Pre Pack Explosive, a combo bill from Representative Moylan: Synopsis As Introduced Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that no person may acquire or possess any pre-packaged explosive components within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police. Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Prohibits the knowing sale, manufacture, purchase, possession, or carrying of a trigger modification device. Defines "trigger modification device". Creates the offense of unlawful sale or delivery of pre-packaged explosive components. Defines "pre-packaged explosive components". Establishes penalties for these offenses. Effective immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted October 16, 2017 at 07:15 PM Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 07:15 PM Color me surprised....the exodus from illinois will show no sign of easing up as long as those buffons continually turn people with not even a speeding ticket in the last 30 years into prohibited persons and eventually felons...19months and i am leaving and never coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windermere Posted October 16, 2017 at 07:35 PM Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 07:35 PM So this includes drop in triggers and any other aftermarket trigger right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted October 16, 2017 at 07:44 PM Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 07:44 PM So this includes drop in triggers and any other aftermarket trigger right?Won't be surprised if it does but since bill text is not available yet we can't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted October 16, 2017 at 07:49 PM Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 07:49 PM So this includes drop in triggers and any other aftermarket trigger right?Won't be surprised if it does but since bill text is not available yet we can't know. Give it a few more minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted October 16, 2017 at 08:17 PM Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 08:17 PM HB4115 Tannerite - requires licensing under IDNR - not just a FOID and the penalties are worse . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atmosphere0284 Posted October 16, 2017 at 08:24 PM Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 08:24 PM HB4115 Tannerite - requires licensing under IDNR - not just a FOID and the penalties are worse . . .i am in the pyro business...let me say that the IDNR is absolutely locking down the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey773 Posted October 16, 2017 at 09:46 PM Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 09:46 PM Martin Moylan should just ban rubber bands and belt loops while he's at it. Good grief, if this guy isn't the definition of exploiting a tragedy I don't know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted October 16, 2017 at 09:52 PM Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 09:52 PM So this includes drop in triggers and any other aftermarket trigger right?Won't be surprised if it does but since bill text is not available yet we can't know. Give it a few more minutes. Not seeing it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted October 16, 2017 at 09:55 PM Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 09:55 PM Not seeing it yet. I know. They're sure taking their time. It's probably too late now today. I'll check in the morning (along with everyone else). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted October 17, 2017 at 04:33 AM Share Posted October 17, 2017 at 04:33 AM STILL taking their damn good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted October 17, 2017 at 01:19 PM Share Posted October 17, 2017 at 01:19 PM Full text for HB4115 is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted October 17, 2017 at 01:47 PM Share Posted October 17, 2017 at 01:47 PM Full text is up.For HB4117? Not seeing it. EDIT:It is up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted October 17, 2017 at 02:20 PM Share Posted October 17, 2017 at 02:20 PM Full text is up. For HB4117? Not seeing itFixt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokehouse Posted October 17, 2017 at 03:09 PM Share Posted October 17, 2017 at 03:09 PM I read through it, trying to focus on the "trigger" part. That I can see, no, a simple trigger on a rifle does not exactly meet what they're calling to ban. i-5 sub section (A) basically calls out bump stocks, sub section ( calls out external mechanisms. The only part that is possibly a gotcha is one sentence in i-5 that reads "including, but not limited to:" right at the end of the paragraph. It does leave a crack in the door, but its a small crack. My guess, that doesn't include a drop in trigger, or trigger service from a gunsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted October 17, 2017 at 06:26 PM Share Posted October 17, 2017 at 06:26 PM (i-5) a trigger modification device. For purposes14 of this clause (i-5), "trigger modification device"15 means any part, or combination of parts, designed or16 intended to accelerate the rate of fire of a firearm,17 but does not convert the firearm into a machine gun,18 including, but not limited to:19 (A) any part, or combination of parts,20 designed or intended for use in modifying a firearm21 to use the recoil of the firearm to produce a rapid22 succession of trigger functions; or23 ( any part, or combination of parts,24 designed or intended for use in modifying a firearm25 to produce multiple trigger functions through the26 use of an external mechanism; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted October 17, 2017 at 06:27 PM Share Posted October 17, 2017 at 06:27 PM I don't like it...my skeptical read of this makes me think it's more vague language that only a judge can determine whether it includes drop in or lightened triggers. We need to nuke this from orbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted October 17, 2017 at 06:31 PM Share Posted October 17, 2017 at 06:31 PM Im surprised they left out the need for me to register and serialize my index finger...nobody should have a machine gun index finger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted October 17, 2017 at 07:27 PM Share Posted October 17, 2017 at 07:27 PM I honestly do not see a use for bump stocks, trigger cranks, or tannerite. I view these things as toys. HOWEVER...I will oppose any efforts to ban them until we get something in return. Give me reciprocity for out-of-state CC licensees. Take the force of law away from postings. Then, we can talk. Otherwise, I'm 100% opposed and I will call my state reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted October 17, 2017 at 11:42 PM Share Posted October 17, 2017 at 11:42 PM I honestly do not see a use for bump stocks, trigger cranks, or tannerite. I view these things as toys. HOWEVER...I will oppose any efforts to ban them until we get something in return. Give me reciprocity for out-of-state CC licensees. Take the force of law away from postings. Then, we can talk. Otherwise, I'm 100% opposed and I will call my state reps.Never compromise, ever. We will ALWAYS oppose gun control and will ALWAYS refuse to trade with the gun control movement, for they do not compromise in good faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted October 18, 2017 at 05:21 PM Share Posted October 18, 2017 at 05:21 PM (i-5) a trigger modification device. For purposes14 of this clause (i-5), "trigger modification device"15 means any part, or combination of parts, designed or16 intended to accelerate the rate of fire of a firearm,17 but does not convert the firearm into a machine gun,18 including, but not limited to:19 (A) any part, or combination of parts,20 designed or intended for use in modifying a firearm21 to use the recoil of the firearm to produce a rapid22 succession of trigger functions; or23 ( any part, or combination of parts,24 designed or intended for use in modifying a firearm25 to produce multiple trigger functions through the26 use of an external mechanism;Sorry, but as I read it, it means any trigger mod that increases rate of fire. That would include a light pull trigger spring, assembly et al, as it allows one to increase the rate of fire. It's INTENDED, likely to make bump stock rate of fire illegal, but isn't written that way. Sorry, don't care what intentions are, only what it says, and what CAN be used. BAD bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeterlancer Posted October 19, 2017 at 07:29 PM Share Posted October 19, 2017 at 07:29 PM Would HB4115 Explosives Pre-Packaged include reloading smokeless powder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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