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BREAKING: DOJ Reclassifies Bump Fire Stocks as Machine Guns


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OK, so this means there is no need for the Illinois Bump Stock Ban. Rauner has solid ground for a veto.

 

ha, not likely.

 

This is how Illinois law works:

The ATF bans above 50cal (aside from one offs) as destructive devices. Illinois wants to ban 50 cal for those under 21.

 

So, a 0.0000001 (rounding error of an inch) over a 3 year age spread. But if it saves one life!

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Are you jumping ahead to something that they actually didnt do? Words make a difference.

 

The U.S. Department of Justice formally submitted a regulation on Saturday to ban bump stocks, a modification to high-capacity rifles that lets them fire like an automatic weapon.

 

Submitted is the keyword. They diid not ban anything they submitted it. Its like submitting a bill. Submitting a bill does not make it law.

 

Actually this is what is happening.

 

The Justice Department has taken the first step in banning the sale, manufacture or possession of bump stocks through new regulation, as Congress stalls in drafting a legislative prohibition.

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Are you jumping ahead to something that they actually didnt do? Words make a difference.

 

The U.S. Department of Justice formally submitted a regulation on Saturday to ban bump stocks, a modification to high-capacity rifles that lets them fire like an automatic weapon.

 

Submitted is the keyword. They diid not ban anything they submitted it. Its like submitting a bill. Submitting a bill does not make it law.

 

Actually this is what is happening.

 

The Justice Department has taken the first step in banning the sale, manufacture or possession of bump stocks through new regulation, as Congress stalls in drafting a legislative prohibition.

 

I copy and pasted the headline from The Truth About Guns and provided a link to the article. So.... no, I'm not jumping ahead on anything. I'm just sharing articles I see that may be of interest to IC members.

 

PS I don't own a Bump Stock, nor do I have any interest in them at all.

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Surely, if the DOJ/BATFE had believed they had the authority to reclassify bump stocks under current law, they would have done it years ago when the subject first came to light. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Because Trump and the NRA are both telling them to do it.

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BATFE already determined you cannot ban bump stocks without new legislation. How can DOJ “reclassify” without such legislation? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

The BATFE is a division of the DOJ. The DOJ can reverse the decisions of its lower branches. Decisions can be changed without legislation: higher court over lower court, new information is brought forth, President A's executive order is reversed by a successor.

 

I am not supporting the proposed change, just pointing out that changes occur.

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They've changed their decision on pistol braces 3 times now, how are you guys not surprised that this is how they may ban bump stocks? How many similar devices have they flip flopped on?

 

Trump and the NRA begged the ATF (under the DOJ) to take a fourth look at bump stocks, this time from above the ATF. The NRA shoulda known that they were playing with fire.

 

This is how an executive action works. They don't create a law out of thin air, they ask the department of justice to take a look at the current legal wording of a law and determine if it can be more broadly enforced.

 

As I've pointed out before there is framework under the existing law to ban bumpstocks. If something mechanical acts on your finger in a way that your finger's trigger pull is no longer being acted on by the muscles controlled by your brain is your finger still acting like a finger? Or is it a mechanical device that could just as easily be replaced by a wooden dowel. That's the legal gray area that can be determined by an executive action.

 

It's the same legal gray area that AR and AK pistols live in because they are technically handguns, but can shoot bimetal ammo capable of piercing body armor.

 

Bumpstocks are not settled, but it's kind of tough to fight an executive action when the groups that normally fought in the past are the same lobbyists and politicians cheerleading this exact course of action.

 

Slidefire could and probably will throw their lawyers into the mix to prevent the ban, but it may bankrupt such a small company if no one else joins in. Especially if their loan holders see a looming risk of default.

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