ScopeEye Posted August 10, 2020 at 06:44 PM Share Posted August 10, 2020 at 06:44 PM 1 1/2 week and counting waiting on approval to return a consignment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted August 11, 2020 at 01:45 AM Share Posted August 11, 2020 at 01:45 AM So whats preventing the state government from stating 5,10,30 or more days is acceptable, how about 6 months to a year or more?That gives the state the ability to take gun sales to a crawl and prevent sales. Why it has not been challenged is somewhat of a mystery. You're right, that's why the feds passed a Brady Date for those states that go by federal law. There needs to be a challenge to state law. To be honest, it might backfire on us, the state might implement a 10 day waiting period instead of the 3 we already have. Anything is possible in IL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted August 11, 2020 at 06:53 AM Share Posted August 11, 2020 at 06:53 AM Are private sale ISP approvals affected? They shouldn't be. Private sales only check the FOID validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra magnus Posted August 11, 2020 at 07:40 AM Share Posted August 11, 2020 at 07:40 AM Again, the regulation is clear, 72 hours after running the check, if its not denied, its allowed to proceed. I have the regulation framed and hung on the wall of the shop. Im not making a case on one side or the other, but you and the ISP seem to have a difference of opinion on this. Their opinion from what I can tell is no approval response, no transfer.Where is the isp take on this? ISPFSB FFL FAQhttps://www.ispffl.com/Public/FAQ.aspx7. What happens if a customer orders a firearm, and when he or she comes in to pick it up, ISP issues something other than an approval on the FTIP?The actual transfer of the firearm cannot take place until there is an approval from the FTIP system, regardless of when the agreement was reached. If the FFL receives a transaction number, they cannot complete the transfer until they receive an approvalJCAR guidelineshttps://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/admincode/020/02001235sections.htmlSection 1235.90 Response Procedures ...The Department shall provide, during the initial dealer inquiry, an approval, denial, or conditional denial of the transfer. The time period for the Department to respond shall begin at the time the inquiry is received. When the Department provides a conditional denial, the dealer shall not transfer the firearm until an approval is provided by the Department or the length of time prescribed in Section 24-3 of the Criminal Code of 1961 [720 ILCS 5/24.3] has been exceeded. Failure of the Department to provide an approval or denial within the prescribed length of time does not relieve the dealer from compliance with any other statutory restrictions on firearm transfers. Regardless of the requirements of this Part, transactions must comply with all State and federal firearm laws.... Appreciate the links, but the FAQ does not jive with what the posted law says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted August 12, 2020 at 03:20 PM Share Posted August 12, 2020 at 03:20 PM Are private sale ISP approvals affected? Frankly I'm just amazed (and amused) people actually do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderhead Posted August 12, 2020 at 05:20 PM Share Posted August 12, 2020 at 05:20 PM I bought a new shotgun at Bass Pro this past Saturday, so I'm 4 days into this nonsense. It'll be interesting to see how long this takes. Ironic isn't it that I am standing at the gun counter with a pistol on my hip, but I have to wait what may become several weeks to get a lousy over and under shotgun. The state thinks I may do something rash if I get that shotgun soon. Got to cool down you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjs81866 Posted August 13, 2020 at 04:56 PM Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 at 04:56 PM So 8/9 was 30 days. I called my FFL and he said we could run it again, he called this time and someone actually answered. He gave them all the info and of course! DELAYED So i don't know what else to do, I guess they can hold this up indefinitely and if I don't like it I can go pound sand. From my understanding it's Illinois as usual but of course these days everyone blames everything on COVID. So I wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderhead Posted August 13, 2020 at 09:38 PM Share Posted August 13, 2020 at 09:38 PM Do you think calling our state reps will do any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rilo Posted August 13, 2020 at 09:47 PM Share Posted August 13, 2020 at 09:47 PM Mine approved today day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman213 Posted August 14, 2020 at 12:39 AM Share Posted August 14, 2020 at 12:39 AM I have several background checks delayed and the longest is sitting at 9 days as of today. For what it's worth, I have some pretty serious arrests from 15 years ago that were plead down which is why I always get delayed. Also have a CCP which you think would help expedite the process but guess not. Good luck, OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman213 Posted August 14, 2020 at 12:57 AM Share Posted August 14, 2020 at 12:57 AM When applying for a UPIN, can copies of electronic fingerprints be submitted with the application or do they need to be hard copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted August 14, 2020 at 01:29 AM Share Posted August 14, 2020 at 01:29 AM When applying for a UPIN, can copies of electronic fingerprints be submitted with the application or do they need to be hard copy?Dont know if current or accurate... https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics/national-instant-criminal-background-check-system-nics-appeals-vaf ...Submitting Your Fingerprints with the VAF Application You are required to submit your fingerprints as part of your VAF application. Most local police departments and sheriff’s offices can assist with fingerprints, though you may have to pay a fingerprint fee. VAF accepts electronic scanned fingerprint images, but you must request your fingerprint agency print you a copy of those images. Submit the copy with your VAF application. If your fingerprint card is rejected, you will receive a response letter with instructions on re-submitting. The agency rolling your fingerprints must include the following on your fingerprint card: agency name and addressagency phone numberlegible signature of the official taking the fingerprintsOriginating Agency Identifier Number, if applicable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman213 Posted August 14, 2020 at 01:58 AM Share Posted August 14, 2020 at 01:58 AM When applying for a UPIN, can copies of electronic fingerprints be submitted with the application or do they need to be hard copy?Dont know if current or accurate...https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics/national-instant-criminal-background-check-system-nics-appeals-vaf...Submitting Your Fingerprints with the VAF ApplicationYou are required to submit your fingerprints as part of your VAF application. Most local police departments and sheriff’s offices can assist with fingerprints, though you may have to pay a fingerprint fee.VAF accepts electronic scanned fingerprint images, but you must request your fingerprint agency print you a copy of those images. Submit the copy with your VAF application. If your fingerprint card is rejected, you will receive a response letter with instructions on re-submitting.The agency rolling your fingerprints must include the following on your fingerprint card:agency name and addressagency phone numberlegible signature of the official taking the fingerprintsOriginating Agency Identifier Number, if applicable....Thank you for the information. Does it have to be a law enforcement agency or will a fingerprinting service from the following link work? Just want to know my options. https://www.idfpr.com/LicenseLookUp/fingerprintlist.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker Posted August 14, 2020 at 08:28 PM Share Posted August 14, 2020 at 08:28 PM I have purchased several firearms during pandemic heard long wait on background checkNever waited more than 5 minutesSo I wonder how this all works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty80 Posted August 14, 2020 at 09:05 PM Share Posted August 14, 2020 at 09:05 PM When applying for a UPIN, can copies of electronic fingerprints be submitted with the application or do they need to be hard copy?Does a UPIN even help in Illannoy? I was told that a UPIN was useless here because Illannoy uses FTIP and UPIN is just for NICS. My background check finally cleared yesterday after a 15 day wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman213 Posted August 14, 2020 at 10:32 PM Share Posted August 14, 2020 at 10:32 PM When applying for a UPIN, can copies of electronic fingerprints be submitted with the application or do they need to be hard copy?Does a UPIN even help in Illannoy? I was told that a UPIN was useless here because Illannoy uses FTIP and UPIN is just for NICS. My background check finally cleared yesterday after a 15 day wait.Good question and not sure. I figured why not it and can't hurt. If anyone has any input on this, please chime in. My local PD will take the prints, I just need to supply the cards. The fd-258 fingerprint card can be printed from the FBI website and it says they'll accept on regular white paper. However, I'm going to fedex kinko's to see if they can print on something more durable. Glad your background check finally cleared. Hopefully my first delay gets cleared by the same time frame and the rest follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted August 14, 2020 at 11:01 PM Share Posted August 14, 2020 at 11:01 PM I could be wrong but although FTIP is an ISP BG check doing some of their own things, I think it still ultimately also goes through NICS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman213 Posted August 15, 2020 at 08:50 PM Share Posted August 15, 2020 at 08:50 PM Two of my background checks (#'s 2 & 5) came back approved today. That's a good start! #2 was 9 days and #5 was 7 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderhead Posted August 19, 2020 at 10:00 PM Share Posted August 19, 2020 at 10:00 PM Finally got the call this morning. After an eleven day wait, I was able to go pick up my new two shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman213 Posted August 20, 2020 at 03:39 AM Share Posted August 20, 2020 at 03:39 AM Has anyone been able to get through to the ISP by phone in the last couple months? This would be by calling the FTIP background check phone number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KZ1000 Posted August 21, 2020 at 01:54 PM Share Posted August 21, 2020 at 01:54 PM Just bought one online tuesday, was called to come fill out paperwork on Thursday. I can't get there till saturday, so it will be interesting to see if mine gets approved right away or........not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 21, 2020 at 04:15 PM Share Posted August 21, 2020 at 04:15 PM ^^^^ Each transaction is being controlled by each FFL and their own policies these daysIt won’t suprise anyone if it’s a week more for the approvalThe again it wouldn’t be out of the stretch if it only took three daysAnd lastly, it could be as simple as showing up and signing the 4473 and walking out with your new toy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KZ1000 Posted August 21, 2020 at 04:24 PM Share Posted August 21, 2020 at 04:24 PM ^^^^ Each transaction is being controlled by each FFL and their own policies these daysIt won’t suprise anyone if it’s a week more for the approvalThe again it wouldn’t be out of the stretch if it only took three daysAnd lastly, it could be as simple as showing up and signing the 4473 and walking out with your new toy I see, yep, it is what it is. Although it would be nice to fire my new little hand cannon on saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 21, 2020 at 05:40 PM Share Posted August 21, 2020 at 05:40 PM Cannons aren’t allowed in Illinois Too hard to conceal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted August 21, 2020 at 07:10 PM Share Posted August 21, 2020 at 07:10 PM I have purchased several firearms during pandemic heard long wait on background checkNever waited more than 5 minutesSo I wonder how this all worksReally? Go into a shop, buy the gun, okd in 5 mins and picked up in 72 hours each time? I’m okd within 96 hours with pickup in fourth day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted August 21, 2020 at 07:36 PM Share Posted August 21, 2020 at 07:36 PM How mine was last month. Instant approval, purchased on Wednesday, picked up Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 21, 2020 at 11:29 PM Share Posted August 21, 2020 at 11:29 PM I got a instant approval before I even got the 4473 filled out!Didnt even have to wait either, we just post dated the paper work, bam done!Havent movedHavent changed my nameHavent changed my marital statusHavent lost or added any weightHavent changed my hair colorDo not have a name like anyone else in America I always wear sweats when making ALL firearm purchasesAlways use Discovery CC for all purchasesNever buy boosts at the same time as a firearm, red flag So now we gave a list for those who are having problemsBe sure to PM me if you have another glitch which might be an issue, Ill update this list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted August 21, 2020 at 11:35 PM Share Posted August 21, 2020 at 11:35 PM Cannons aren’t allowed in Illinois Too hard to concealNot concealable *LOL* but thought I recalled some people posting about owning one before. Maybe with a C&R or Reenactment membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PezMar66 Posted August 25, 2020 at 04:45 AM Share Posted August 25, 2020 at 04:45 AM I got a instant approval before I even got the 4473 filled out!Didnt even have to wait either, we just post dated the paper work, bam done!Havent movedHavent changed my nameHavent changed my marital statusHavent lost or added any weightHavent changed my hair colorDo not have a name like anyone else in AmericaI always wear sweats when making ALL firearm purchasesAlways use Discovery CC for all purchasesNever buy boosts at the same time as a firearm, red flag So now we gave a list for those who are having problemsBe sure to PM me if you have another glitch which might be an issue, Ill update this list Made a purchase in mid June and was instantly approved. Guy behind the counter was even kinda shocked. He was talking about processing being a little delayed, and then looked back at the computer like 30 seconds later and was like "Oh, you already came back approved." Showed up exactly 72 hours later and walked out with my purchase. That was an in-person purchase. Just ordered a TP9SF Elite online, so I'll see what happens when that arrives. I believe it's supposed to be at the FFL by Friday. Will update when I go to pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted August 25, 2020 at 01:20 PM Share Posted August 25, 2020 at 01:20 PM Must be some people that are. In late July, I was instantly approved also. But they were telling others when I went to pick up 7-10 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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