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#31 Hatchet

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 11:26 AM

I have for two simple reasons. So i can efficiently and safely get between anyone and the rooms of my 2 children.


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#32 DD123

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 10:40 PM

I've done it more than once, and on each occasion I felt dumber for doing it.  

 

If you hear your door getting kicked in at 3am, you have absolutely no idea of what you're walking into.  None.  

 

Hardly anyone on here has had any sort of actual training on how to clear a home, barring some movies and youtube videos of "tactical operators".  Everyone thinks that they'll become a Seal Team 6 operator, but what will end up happening is you'll be more like Meal Team 6.  

 

If you're an out of shape, 40-50 something year old dude, you likely don't do anything that causes adrenaline dumps for fun, and probably haven't in decades.  You'll get a dump, become tunnel visioned, and be in a position of weakness, versus doing what can give you an upper hand, much like some others have already mentioned in this thread.  

 

I'm 40, and have been shooting for a long time, and have gotten significantly faster, more accurate, and more effective over the last 4 years of competitive shooting.  I have no doubts I'd be able to hit multiple intruders in a very short amount of time.  Do I want to, no.  

 

You hear the door getting kicked in at 3am, secure your family members into one room, lock the door, dial 911, and defend your location.  It's way easier to defend a smaller location than trying to figure out, in the dark, what you're walking into....is it one intruder, two, three, more?  Who knows?  It's not like they're going to tell you.  Let the cops deal with it, while you secure a safe area and make it easier to defend yourself against some intruders.  As soon as you fire the gun, your night vision and hearing are both shot.  

 

There's way too much bravado online.  I've seen how many "gun guys shoot".....they suck.  They suck with no pressure or adrenaline.  Introduce adrenaline and it's even worse.  I've seen many "gun guys" do something that isn't even near as adrenaline inducing as a break in, shoot competitively for the first time.  They completely break down because suddenly they experience pressure.  

 

Remember a few years back those nuts decided to go into a Walmart or Costco shooting and there was a concealed carrier there?  He died.  Why did he die?  He got tunnel vision on the first person he saw, rather than taking a few moments to figure out what's going on by assessing the situation.  

 

I'm not saying everyone on this forum or even this thread isn't competent.  But guns have a tendency of giving people way higher of an opinion of themselves than they should.  The only time you should even think about clearing a house is if you have to fight to gather all of your family members into a single room.  Otherwise it's pretty foolish to try it on your own with absolutely no experience.  A few classes isn't experience.  Special Forces training, and SWAT training is repetitive enough to make you proficient.  If you don't have that training, or heck, even if you do, it's still a dumb thing to do.  Heck, ask someone with a door kicking, Special Forces or SWAT background on what makes more sense for the average gun owner, and they'll agree with me.  They may even agree with me for their own plans of what to do in this scenario.  

 

ETA:  I mean if you're chilling in your drawers watching TV and someone kicks in the door - completely different story.  But physically clearing your home....bad idea.  


Edited by DD123, 27 April 2019 - 10:47 PM.

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Posted 28 April 2019 - 09:55 PM

Barricading and calling the cops is not an option for people with families.

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 08:24 AM

Barricading and calling the cops is not an option for people with families.


Fair point. It doesn't change the fact that moving room to room hunting the bump in the night is a fool's errand. There's a happy middle. Control the stairway/ hallway to the sleeping areas. Teach the kids to move to a specific room on command, maybe a bathroom with a tub that's central to the bedrooms. I have ideas. I don't have answers. There is a reason SWAT does this wearing armor. Maybe people with kids should have a tac vest with plates in every room. The idea makes me want to puke, but there's no easy answers to this.

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 10:06 AM

... maybe a bathroom with a tub ...


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Posted 29 April 2019 - 01:23 PM

I have for two simple reasons. So i can efficiently and safely get between anyone and the rooms of my 2 children.


Same. And also to be aware of the zones where those rooms are backstops.

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 02:12 PM

 

I have for two simple reasons. So i can efficiently and safely get between anyone and the rooms of my 2 children.


Same. And also to be aware of the zones where those rooms are backstops.

 

 

What if that bump in the night is someone coming in through a child's bedroom window?  

It looks like you may have been outflanked.  What if there are assailants coming from other directions?



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Posted 29 April 2019 - 11:22 PM

Barricading and calling the cops is not an option for people with families.

 

However blocking choke points and having a plan where your family goes to know points in the house helps this greatly.  Robbers or home invaders may not hurt your family but charging into situations without a plan sure can hurt.



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Posted 30 April 2019 - 05:50 AM

Attackers thru kids windows
Being outflanked
Multiple assailants

No disrespect but where the heck you guys live
Who did you piss off

Some of us need to move, and be sure its a two story.
There's a reason more two stories are built than ranches.
Ranches are for when the kids are gone and it's just you and the misses.

As for the vests with plates......i smiled a bit there, just have them strap ém on under the PJ's!!!

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 08:27 AM

When I grow up I wanna-be a Tacticool-Oper8or-Ninja too!

 

Anybody know where I can get me sum 'o them black-ops sunglasses? Oh, and summa them webby vests....and a neato CCW Carry Badge would be GREAT! C'mon Christmas!


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Posted 30 April 2019 - 09:16 AM

I have for two simple reasons. So i can efficiently and safely get between anyone and the rooms of my 2 children.

Same. And also to be aware of the zones where those rooms are backstops.
 
What if that bump in the night is someone coming in through a child's bedroom window?  
It looks like you may have been outflanked.  What if there are assailants coming from other directions?
I can only devote so much time to training and planning. I don't have a plan for Spiderman or the SAS. Probably will have to improvise. ;)

My main point was that I try to be very aware of where NOT to shoot as much as where and how to shoot. Flinging lead that may penetrate a bedroom wall is a no-no in my plan.

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 09:23 AM

When I grow up I wanna-be a Tacticool-Oper8or-Ninja too!
 
Anybody know where I can get me sum 'o them black-ops sunglasses? Oh, and summa them webby vests....and a neato CCW Carry Badge would be GREAT! C'mon Christmas!


Here ya go........

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 09:42 AM

Barricading and calling the cops is not an option for people with families.


 
However blocking choke points and having a plan where your family goes to know points in the house helps this greatly. Robbers or home invaders may not hurt your family but charging into situations without a plan sure can hurt.


Yes. There's that happy medium I've been looking for. You have to have a plan to move in your home without being a target.

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 09:45 AM

Attackers thru kids windows
Being outflanked
Multiple assailants
No disrespect but where the heck you guys live
Who did you piss off
Some of us need to move, and be sure its a two story.
There's a reason more two stories are built than ranches.
Ranches are for when the kids are gone and it's just you and the misses.As for the vests with plates......i smiled a bit there, just have them strap ém on under the PJ's!!!


16 township road miles from law enforcement. Nobody is coming to help.

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 03:02 PM

Every house and every situation is different.  If someone kicks down my front door, I won't have time to get the wife and kids to a secure location together.  The best location would be the walk-in bedroom closet in the master, but that would mean going and getting the kids from two different rooms....all in plain view of the bad guy.  A better solution would be to control the stairway and wait for the police. 

 

But again....the times I have heard "something" have always turned out to be nothing.  And I don't want to call the police over nothing.  I doubt someone is kicking in my front door at 3 in the morning, so I wake the wife, grab the dog, and go check it out. 

 

So "clearing the house" isn't so much hunting down and killing a bad guy because I'm so tacticool, as it is just confirming that whatever I heard was non a threat.  



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Posted 30 April 2019 - 03:37 PM

Every house and every situation is different.  If someone kicks down my front door, I won't have time to get the wife and kids to a secure location together.  The best location would be the walk-in bedroom closet in the master, but that would mean going and getting the kids from two different rooms....all in plain view of the bad guy.  A better solution would be to control the stairway and wait for the police. 

 

But again....the times I have heard "something" have always turned out to be nothing.  And I don't want to call the police over nothing.  I doubt someone is kicking in my front door at 3 in the morning, so I wake the wife, grab the dog, and go check it out. 

 

So "clearing the house" isn't so much hunting down and killing a bad guy because I'm so tacticool, as it is just confirming that whatever I heard was non a threat.  

Bingo on numerous points there!


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