mab22 Posted June 15, 2020 at 02:56 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 02:56 AM I was just checking a page a friend sent me from SIG and it has a State Compliant section and they list IL.The difference is a 10 round vs a 17 round magazine. https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p320-xfive-legion.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benbow Posted June 15, 2020 at 03:05 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 03:05 AM No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted June 15, 2020 at 03:06 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 03:06 AM No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:03 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:03 AM Where is the state compliant section as Im missing it? There are NO statewide magazine capacity limits. Some municipalities have laws on the books, but then again the state has preemption over handguns. ...added 17 rd to cart using my zip code and it seemed to work fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:12 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:12 AM Where is the state compliant section as Im missing it? There are NO statewide magazine capacity limits. Some municipalities have laws on the books, but then again the state has preemption over handguns. In the "models" table, the 5th row says "STATE COMPLIANT - - CO / CT / HI / IL / MA / MA Target Roster / MD / NJ / NY" for the model with 10 rd magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:20 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:20 AM Where is the state compliant section as Im missing it?There are NO statewide magazine capacity limits. Some municipalities have laws on the books, but then again the state has preemption over handguns.In the "models" table, the 5th row says "STATE COMPLIANT - - CO / CT / HI / IL / MA / MA Target Roster / MD / NJ / NY" for the model with 10 rd magazines.D'oh...it was off screen and I needed to scroll horizontally...but on the order page it let me add to cart using my zip code when requested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:28 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:28 AM I have bought from Sig Sauer, if you are a Chicago resident and you're buying a 16+ mag, they will cancel the purchase. Unless you have slipped through the cracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:32 AM Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:32 AM Where is the state compliant section as Im missing it?There are NO statewide magazine capacity limits. Some municipalities have laws on the books, but then again the state has preemption over handguns.In the "models" table, the 5th row says "STATE COMPLIANT - - CO / CT / HI / IL / MA / MA Target Roster / MD / NJ / NY" for the model with 10 rd magazines.D'oh...it was off screen and I needed to scroll horizontally...but on the order page it let me add to cart using my zip code when requested. Not sure I like manufacturers becoming "compliant" with a "City" and declaring it a "state compliance", it does not really help the overall cause and they should take a seat....Just my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:34 AM Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:34 AM I have bought from Sig Sauer, if you are a Chicago resident and you're buying a 16+ mag, they will cancel the purchase. Unless you have slipped through the cracks So they have declared "Chicago" representative of our WHOLE STATE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:57 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 04:57 AM I have bought from Sig Sauer, if you are a Chicago resident and you're buying a 16+ mag, they will cancel the purchase. Unless you have slipped through the cracks So they have declared "Chicago" representative of our WHOLE STATE?Its not just Sig. Other sellers have a similar policy. Some have been convinced to research and change while others refuse to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benbow Posted June 15, 2020 at 05:20 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 05:20 AM and that is why I stopped doing business with the Sportsmans Guide. Don't know if they still do, for one day they decided to enforce Chicago law throughout the entire state of Illinois, and would not accept that I lived over 300 miles from Chicago, and at that point, I stopped doing business with them and never looked back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted June 15, 2020 at 05:36 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 05:36 AM Sig makes what they call as State Compliant packagesThese always come with 10 round magsI just want died and added to cartI also have an account with them not sure that makes a difference Just head over to a LGS and get sig mags or firearms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted June 15, 2020 at 07:06 AM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 07:06 AM ^^^^^^ Spell check, why apple, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted June 15, 2020 at 12:55 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 12:55 PM and that is why I stopped doing business with the Sportsmans Guide. Don't know if they still do, for one day they decided to enforce Chicago law throughout the entire state of Illinois, and would not accept that I lived over 300 miles from Chicago, and at that point, I stopped doing business with them and never looked backIts not even Chicago, you can have 15 rounds there. Its Cook County and some of the Suburbs that have the 10 round limits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted June 15, 2020 at 01:25 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 01:25 PM and that is why I stopped doing business with the Sportsmans Guide. Don't know if they still do, for one day they decided to enforce Chicago law throughout the entire state of Illinois, and would not accept that I lived over 300 miles from Chicago, and at that point, I stopped doing business with them and never looked back Its not even Chicago, you can have 15 rounds there. Its Cook County and some of the Suburbs that have the 10 round limitsYou are correct, the majority of all online sellers go by the state and county, that's about it. You will have a few others that will include Chicago, Oak Park, Highland Park, Franklin Park, and Aurora. My company policy is I will sell any capacity at my business location and ship any capacity of a magazine that can be used in a handgun with an IL CCL. If you have a FOID only, I will research the specific municipal ordinance because I am an Illinoisans as well and hated when online sellers would not do that for me b4 I got my own FFL.Ernesto A Alcala-OwnerErnie's Arms Accessories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted June 15, 2020 at 01:27 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 01:27 PM I live in the burbs. They did it to me 2 or 3 years ago. As did Gun Mag warehouse, Midway USA, CZ USA, and others. It is due to the unlawful and unenforceable Crook County ordinance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted June 15, 2020 at 01:38 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 01:38 PM You are correct, the majority of all online sellers go by the state and county, that's about it. You will have a few others that will include Chicago, Oak Park, Highland Park, Franklin Park, and Aurora. My company policy is I will sell any capacity at my business location and ship any capacity of a magazine that can be used in a handgun with an IL CCL. If you have a FOID only, I will research the specific municipal ordinance because I am an Illinoisans as well and hated when online sellers would not do that for me b4 I got my own FFL. Ernesto A Alcala-Owner Ernie's Arms AccessoriesThe same pre-emption that applies to CCL holders also applies to FOID holders (the exact language from FCCA was duplicated in the FOID Act) so you can sell anything to FOID holder that you can sell to FCCL holder ( b ) Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this Section, the regulation, licensing, possession, and registration of handguns and ammunition for a handgun, and the transportation of any firearm and ammunition by a holder of a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card issued by the Department of State Police under this Act are exclusive powers and functions of this State. Any ordinance or regulation, or portion of that ordinance or regulation, enacted on or before the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly that purports to impose regulations or restrictions on a holder of a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card issued by the Department of State Police under this Act in a manner that is inconsistent with this Act, on the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly, shall be invalid in its application to a holder of a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card issued by the Department of State Police under this Act.http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapterID=39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted June 15, 2020 at 02:22 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 02:22 PM Beretta does this too. I'm sure it's more a case of them being cheap and not wanting to go down the road of coding the site for each town's nuances and then needing to keep up with the changes over time. If a state has a forbidden zone within it's borders it get's lumped in with the compliant state only shipping rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonap Posted June 15, 2020 at 02:31 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 02:31 PM and that is why I stopped doing business with the Sportsmans Guide. Don't know if they still do, for one day they decided to enforce Chicago law throughout the entire state of Illinois, and would not accept that I lived over 300 miles from Chicago, and at that point, I stopped doing business with them and never looked backIts not even Chicago, you can have 15 rounds there. Its Cook County and some of the Suburbs that have the 10 round limits Which are also preempted, (For Handguns), by the FOID and CCL laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted June 15, 2020 at 05:49 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 05:49 PM In the "models" table, the 5th row says "STATE COMPLIANT - - CO / CT / HI / IL / MA / MA Target Roster / MD / NJ / NY" for the model with 10 rd magazines. Also state compliant in the rest of the US that has no mag limits. They need to update that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted June 15, 2020 at 06:11 PM Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 06:11 PM and that is why I stopped doing business with the Sportsmans Guide. Don't know if they still do, for one day they decided to enforce Chicago law throughout the entire state of Illinois, and would not accept that I lived over 300 miles from Chicago, and at that point, I stopped doing business with them and never looked backIts not even Chicago, you can have 15 rounds there. Its Cook County and some of the Suburbs that have the 10 round limits As I understand it, even though cook county "bans them", IF your municipality IN cook county does not have anything on the books then you are allowed to have them.I could be wrong on that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted June 15, 2020 at 06:39 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 06:39 PM and that is why I stopped doing business with the Sportsmans Guide. Don't know if they still do, for one day they decided to enforce Chicago law throughout the entire state of Illinois, and would not accept that I lived over 300 miles from Chicago, and at that point, I stopped doing business with them and never looked back Its not even Chicago, you can have 15 rounds there. Its Cook County and some of the Suburbs that have the 10 round limitsAs I understand it, even though cook county "bans them", IF your municipality IN cook county does not have anything on the books then you are allowed to have them.I could be wrong on that... I believe it's the opposit. If your town has an ordinance allowing you to have them or otherwise regulating them, your Town is exempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted June 15, 2020 at 08:04 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 08:04 PM As I understand it, even though cook county "bans them", IF your municipality IN cook county does not have anything on the books then you are allowed to have them.I could be wrong on that...I believe it's the opposit. If your town has an ordinance allowing you to have them or otherwise regulating them, your Town is exempted. The county seems to have taken the position that it applies to everyone except where a home rule ordinance explicitly conflicts with it. They amended it some years ago to add this: (a) The provisions included in this division apply to all persons in Cook County including but not limited to persons licensed under this article Whether that's a legally defensible, or if the county has the ability to enforce it within home rule units without the cooperation of the local police remains unanswered, as I believe they were abstaining from enforcement pending the outcome of the Wilson case, which appears to have finally died today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 15, 2020 at 08:52 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 08:52 PM I think the preemption overides any home rule statutes ...(430 ILCS 66/90) Sec. 90. Preemption. The regulation, licensing, possession, registration, and transportation of handguns and ammunition for handguns by licensees are exclusive powers and functions of the State. Any ordinance or regulation, or portion thereof, enacted on or before the effective date of this Act that purports to impose regulations or restrictions on licensees or handguns and ammunition for handguns in a manner inconsistent with this Act shall be invalid in its application to licensees under this Act on the effective date of this Act. This Section is a denial and limitation of home rule powers and functions under subsection (h) of Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois Constitution.(Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13.)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted June 15, 2020 at 09:58 PM Share Posted June 15, 2020 at 09:58 PM Buy your firearmWhat ever mags it comes with, use thoseIf anyone here is actually getting stopped on the street or road for that matter just to check your mag capacity please raise your hand!Most LEO,s aren’t even going to ask to see the firearm anyway, as posted right here in IC many hundreds of times.So....just carry on as they say. Now, if you are doing something illegal and get stopped, car jacking, robbery, assault, etc etc then you may have a small issue.But if I remember correctly it was posted also in here and several news articles where after being charged with the mag capacity limit it was then dropped in favor of the other charges. They know it can’t win, so why try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted June 16, 2020 at 01:19 AM Share Posted June 16, 2020 at 01:19 AM You are correct, the majority of all online sellers go by the state and county, that's about it. You will have a few others that will include Chicago, Oak Park, Highland Park, Franklin Park, and Aurora. My company policy is I will sell any capacity at my business location and ship any capacity of a magazine that can be used in a handgun with an IL CCL. If you have a FOID only, I will research the specific municipal ordinance because I am an Illinoisans as well and hated when online sellers would not do that for me b4 I got my own FFL.Ernesto A Alcala-OwnerErnie's Arms AccessoriesThe same pre-emption that applies to CCL holders also applies to FOID holders (the exact language from FCCA was duplicated in the FOID Act) so you can sell anything to FOID holder that you can sell to FCCL holder ( b ) Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this Section, the regulation, licensing, possession, and registration of handguns and ammunition for a handgun, and the transportation of any firearm and ammunition by a holder of a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card issued by the Department of State Police under this Act are exclusive powers and functions of this State. Any ordinance or regulation, or portion of that ordinance or regulation, enacted on or before the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly that purports to impose regulations or restrictions on a holder of a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card issued by the Department of State Police under this Act in a manner that is inconsistent with this Act, on the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly, shall be invalid in its application to a holder of a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card issued by the Department of State Police under this Act.http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapterID=39 InterestedBystander posted this as well and this has been talked about in IC before. Where does it say magazines? Just handguns and ammunition. Brandon Phelps has a recording that can be used in court to justify magazine preemption but it was not written in the law and JCAR did not correct it, I think we all know why. This is what Chicago has used to justify their 15rd magazine capacity and I have met people before who have been ticketed and a few other local home-based FFL Dealers, as well, have met online buyers who have had their magazines taken from them in Chicago.(430 ILCS 66/90) Sec. 90. Preemption. The regulation, licensing, possession, registration, and transportation of handguns and ammunition for handguns by licensees are exclusive powers and functions of the State. Any ordinance or regulation, or portion thereof, enacted on or before the effective date of this Act that purports to impose regulations or restrictions on licensees or handguns and ammunition for handguns in a manner inconsistent with this Act shall be invalid in its application to licensees under this Act on the effective date of this Act. This Section is a denial and limitation of home rule powers and functions under subsection (h) of Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois Constitution. (Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted June 16, 2020 at 03:16 AM Author Share Posted June 16, 2020 at 03:16 AM Maybe it's time to pass the hat and pitch in to hire an attorney to give guidance.Based on the lack of the word magazine ^^^^^^ You can carry unlimited bullets in your pocket but only 15 bullets in the magazine... ? Maybe I'll tease the ISRA and offer a renewal for what the law states on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted June 16, 2020 at 01:47 PM Share Posted June 16, 2020 at 01:47 PM Buy your firearmWhat ever mags it comes with, use those But why would you want to go through the work to carry the bulk of a full size firearm and not load it to capacity? If you're being forced to only carry 11 or less might as well get a smaller gun, or carry a single stack .45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted June 16, 2020 at 03:03 PM Share Posted June 16, 2020 at 03:03 PM Or a New York Reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottFM Posted June 18, 2020 at 11:43 AM Share Posted June 18, 2020 at 11:43 AM Not sure I like manufacturers becoming "compliant" with a "City" and declaring it a "state compliance", it does not really help the overall cause and they should take a seat.... Just my opinion... I don't like it either. I had a stock maker cancel my order citing Chicago ordinances and I do not live in Chicago or even Cook Co. I think it all comes from they do not want or rather cannot afford to deal with all the legal issues by employing a team of lawyers to constantly review what the restrictions are. HEY! Here is an idea, some hungry lawyer might want to keep track of all of that and sell that as a subscription service to these businesses under the guise of expanding their markets while eliminating risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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