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[atmosphere0284]

Im sorry for my ignorance on these issues but I've been hearing talk around my job lately and according to those speaking he has a friend that purchases firearms from greater chicagoland area dealers (handguns and AR15s) and this guy has no CFP.    So someone please clarify for me the exact steps one needs to take in order for this to be a completely legal process on my part.  I already have a FOID but where do I go from here?  Is the CFP meant for handguns only or does it also apply to long guns. Also, I thought there is an "assault weapons" ban so how is he purchasing ar15's?

[Davey]

There is a cook county weapons ban.  So you'll have to go along with that to remain legal unless you store the guns outside the county.

I'm not sure where to go for the Chicago permit BS.  

Also, look up the Hale Demar law.

[Bud]

Federal Farmer is the resident expert and I am sure he will jump in. Thanks to him, Chicago residents can now own SKS's in the City.

[GarandFan]

Chicago residents don't need CFPs to purchase arms within the state of Illinois.  Chicago residents only need the CFP in order to lawfully possess those arms within Chicago.  That, and having them registered with the city.

You are super confused and as a result, are hesitant to be a Chicago gun owner?  I suspect that is half the point of all these ordinances.

[ChiShooter]

Like others said - you can buy whatever you want as long as you have FOID (with an exception of one store , I think in Elmwood Park or something, they actually want you to show them CFP if you're from Chicago. I never went to buy anything from them for this very same reason - and I do have CFP, just don't like them catering to the city).
Anyway - that's as far as buying goes. As far as keeping it - you can only keep handguns and some limited selection of rifles and shotguns. Definitely no ARs and semi-auto shotguns I think. Then on top of it you have a bunch of other idiotic rules like no pistol grip on the rifle, etc. That's what happens when people who've only seen guns in Hollywood movies write laws about guns.
P.S. - you can of course get yourself an AR and store it outside of Rahmanistan. I have a locker at lombard range for that same purpose - there's a sweet M4 with eotech holo  sight sitting there.

Edited by ChiShooter, 26 April 2012 - 07:14 PM.

[Thanks2mcdonald]

Some gun shops will not deliver a gun to you if your address is in Chicago and you do not have the Chicago permit.  Happened to me and I had to take my Chicago permit to them.  I had it, just not on my at the time.  

To get you more confused, you have to have the gun registered within 5 days of it being possessed in Chicago.  You have to have the Chicago permit with when the gun is outside your home (and gun registration).  If you have more than one gun, only one can be operable at the same time in your home.  They have to be locked in you home if you have kids.  

Here is a good one - Chicago requires you to have the gun unloaded, in broken down condition, in a firearm case, and not immediately accessible.  However, a police officer described to me as unloaded, inaccessible, in a case, locked, no ammo in the magazine, and no ammo in the case with the gun.  Leaving this city soon.

[Thanks2mcdonald]

Yep, Elmwood Park.

[atmosphere0284]

So only some places are abiding to the no sale unless there is a CFP?  big risk to take for both the buyer and the seller isnt it?  are they asking (if they ask) for CFP for long gun purchases as well?

[atmosphere0284]

sorry again everyone... it sucks we even have to go through this but i feel like i'd like to move forward with a purchase but i kinda get that feeling no matter what i do something will be wrong......

[RandyP]

There is NO State law forbidding Chicago residents from buying any firearm that is legal in the State. Cook County and Chicago have a jim dandy ordinance that prohibits or regulates keeping said  firearms in one's home within the city limits or within the County of Cook. But they cannot prohibit a person from buying them nor a store from selling them.

In Chicago a resident needs to acquire a CFP (Chicago Firearm Permit) in order to posses firearms within their home as well as register them with the City. The permit is $100 for three years and also requires a certified class be taken at the applicant's expense. Registration is a one time fee of $15 per firearm. "Assault weapons" are banned, even pistol caliber carbines if they have a pistol grip. MY HIgh Point 995 lives with a relative in Indiana.

Yes it is a P.I.A. but it is doable and beats getting caught in violation.

Edited by RandyP, 26 April 2012 - 08:43 PM.

[Mr. Fife]

ChiShooter, on 26 April 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

Like others said - you can buy whatever you want as long as you have FOID (with an exception of one store , I think in Elmwood Park or something, they actually want you to show them CFP if you're from Chicago. I never went to buy anything from them for this very same reason - and I do have CFP, just don't like them catering to the city).

I believe that's a Village ordinance rather than a store policy. You can shoot there though, with just your FOID card.

[MrSHiat]

Thanks2mcdonald, on 26 April 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Some gun shops will not deliver a gun to you if your address is in Chicago and you do not have the Chicago permit.  Happened to me and I had to take my Chicago permit to them.  I had it, just not on my at the time.  

To get you more confused, you have to have the gun registered within 5 days of it being possessed in Chicago. You have to have the Chicago permit with when the gun is outside your home (and gun registration).  If you have more than one gun, only one can be operable at the same time in your home.  They have to be locked in you home if you have kids.  

Here is a good one - Chicago requires you to have the gun unloaded, in broken down condition, in a firearm case, and not immediately accessible.  However, a police officer described to me as unloaded, inaccessible, in a case, locked, no ammo in the magazine, and no ammo in the case with the gun.  Leaving this city soon.

Is that true? I've never heard that you had to have the CFP and registration on you if the gun is outside your home before.

Mike

[Mr. Fife]

I keep copies in my wallet at all times.

[vezpa]

One of our members did in fact sucessfully register and AR15 here in Chicago.  It involved installing a very cheap bullet button to the AR, making it technically legal to posess an AR15 that holds only 10 rounds in the magazine.   If someone wants to find the thread please do.

Also just because you legally own an AR15 and live inthe city of Chicago doesn't mean you keep it in the city.

Edited by vezpa, 27 April 2012 - 03:08 PM.

[Jason4567]

Here is the thread that Vezpa is referring to. FYI, it came from the factory with the "bullet button", meaning it is an unmodified, factory, fixed magazine rifle. I'm not sure if that matters with regards to Chicago law, but it is worth noting.

Edited by Jason4567, 27 April 2012 - 03:34 PM.

[Federal Farmer]

Jason4567, on 27 April 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

Here is the thread that Vezpa is referring to. FYI, it came from the factory with the "bullet button", meaning it is an unmodified, factory, fixed magazine rifle. I'm not sure if that matters with regards to Chicago law, but it is worth noting.

It probably does matter.  I have not read the transcript for the bullet button hearing, but from my own hearing regarding the SKS rifles it was specifically called out by the Administrative Hearing Judge that the rifles were unmodified.

[drdoom]

I thought FOPA specifically forbid the establish of any such registry by any state or municipal Government? Also, my Chicago friends, the easy way to get around the AWB is to turn that AR into a straight-pull, bolt-action rifle.

Edited by drdoom, 27 April 2012 - 07:41 PM.

[TFC]

drdoom, on 27 April 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

I thought FOPA specifically forbid the establish of any such registry by any state or municipal Government? Also, my Chicago friends, the easy way to get around the AWB is to turn that AR into a straight-pull, bolt-action rifle.

Yes it does. It's something else NRA seems to let go without challenge. And, like most inconvenient laws, local governments just ignore it. Hopefully new legislation (HR 4269) will address that.

[Thanks2mcdonald]

MrSHiat, on 27 April 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

Thanks2mcdonald, on 26 April 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Some gun shops will not deliver a gun to you if your address is in Chicago and you do not have the Chicago permit.  Happened to me and I had to take my Chicago permit to them.  I had it, just not on my at the time.  

To get you more confused, you have to have the gun registered within 5 days of it being possessed in Chicago. You have to have the Chicago permit with when the gun is outside your home (and gun registration).  If you have more than one gun, only one can be operable at the same time in your home.  They have to be locked in you home if you have kids.  

Here is a good one - Chicago requires you to have the gun unloaded, in broken down condition, in a firearm case, and not immediately accessible.  However, a police officer described to me as unloaded, inaccessible, in a case, locked, no ammo in the magazine, and no ammo in the case with the gun.  Leaving this city soon.

Is that true? I've never heard that you had to have the CFP and registration on you if the gun is outside your home before.

Mike

See the Chicago gun ordinance section 8-20-140 (a) about the registration certificate being needed to possess a firearm in Chicago (presumably anywhere including your car).  Regarding the CFP, I am looking to see the same reference but have not found it.  However, during my CFP class, the instructor stated both must be carried with you if you have your guns in your possession and he was a police officer.  

One thing that is worrisome to me is what police officers may believe is law/ordinance vs. what is actually in the law/ordinance.  For example, the Chicago gun ordinance does not require all the spicific transporation rules the police officer mentioned to me (and stated in my earlier post)

To the point Mr. Fife made, I keep copies of everything on me.  I have PDF copies of my CFP, gun registrations, the Chicago gun ordinance, and the Illinois transportation rules from the Illinois State Police.  Should I encounter a police officer with a willingness to get clarification on any issues, I have the information.  

At the end of the day, I would rather be safe than sorry.  Because right or wrong, you may go to jail and that is an occurrence I don't want.  Or you may get your guns confiscated and never get them back.  Being safe is cheaper than bail money or buying new guns, IMO.

[Thanks2mcdonald]

drdoom, on 27 April 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

I thought FOPA specifically forbid the establish of any such registry by any state or municipal Government? Also, my Chicago friends, the easy way to get around the AWB is to turn that AR into a straight-pull, bolt-action rifle.

I wondered the same thing about the FOPA.  SMH.

[drdoom]

Here's the text:

"No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established."

IANAL, BUT commonsense would tell me that Federal law supersedes Chicago pols and their racist gun laws.

[Indigo]

"No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established."

"Grandfather" clause.

[drdoom]

Indigo, on 29 April 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

"No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established."

"Grandfather" clause.

So would that not mean that the responsible firearm owners ordinance passed in 2010 is null and void?

[TFC]

drdoom, on 29 April 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Indigo, on 29 April 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

"No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established."

"Grandfather" clause.

So would that not mean that the responsible firearm owners ordinance passed in 2010 is null and void?

It would seem to void many old laws on the books. I see a huge court fight over that one.