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#1 CHICAGO HANDGUN OWNER

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 02:36 PM

What are the legal penalties in Illinois  for a CCL holder that accidentally shoots himself? Is it best to report the incident or just grin and bear it?



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Posted 09 October 2018 - 02:37 PM

When you go to the hospital for treatment or the doctor, it will be reported. 



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Posted 09 October 2018 - 03:06 PM

Probably legally deaf. IANALOJOTSCOTUS



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Posted 09 October 2018 - 03:06 PM

Unlike in movies or TV, leaving a gunshot wound untreated can easily lead to serious infection and necrosis (gangrene). I don't recommend risking limb amputation or multi-system organ failure as a viable alternative to getting out of a municipal fine.

Assuming you weren't trying to kill yourself, you didn't harm anyone else, and you were in legal possession of the gun, you could be charged with reckless discharge of a firearm and/or discharging a firearm within city limits. Those are misdemeanor charges. Depending on the situation, someone might sue you for endangering them.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 03:22 PM

Tell them it happened outside the city, maybe at an outdoor range in Indiana, you don't exactly remember which one. There was a bench there.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 04:07 PM

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 05:34 PM

Know any good Veterinary doctors 


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 05:40 PM

Know any good Veterinary doctors

But if course nobody here would advocate breaking the law. That is against the COC.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:18 PM

Asking for a friend?

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:35 PM

 

Know any good Veterinary doctors

But if course nobody here would advocate breaking the law. That is against the COC.

 

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 07:09 PM

There's that pesky COC - almost as pesky as the Bill of Rights!! Dang Lou!!

 

Don't mess around - get the would professionally treated. Internal damage can be significant. That old cowboy crap of - "Oh it's just a shoulder wound" does not fly.

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Penalties - What Euler said...  IANAL (or a doctor) - me neither...


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:17 PM

ranges from uuw to attempted murder i guess...



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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:28 PM

Extremely unlikely charge(s) would be filed. But, if so, it would likely be 720 ILCS 5/24-1.5 - Reckless discharge of a firearm (Class 4 felony, potential sentence 1-3 years incarceration).


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:23 AM

Just don't let them suggest any form of consoling to rule out you weren't trying to hurt yourself.


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 09:40 AM

When medical help arrives, tell them what happened so that they can initiate the proper treatment. Make sure to say it was accidental. When the police arrive, tell them it was an accident. I wouldn't say more than that without consulting a lawyer. The police are not likely to simply walk away. They're going to investigate. Hopefully they will reach the conclusion that you don't need to be charged with a crime and that a bullet hole is enough punishment..and that you're not a further danger to yourself or others.

 

Honestly, I could see Cook County prosecutors pressing charges and attempting to get your FOID and CCL revoked.



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Posted 10 October 2018 - 12:55 PM

Probably legally deaf. IANALOJOTSCOTUS

 

I love the disclaimer.  I had to think about it for a sec.

 

When medical help arrives, tell them what happened so that they can initiate the proper treatment. Make sure to say it was accidental. When the police arrive, tell them it was an accident. I wouldn't say more than that without consulting a lawyer. The police are not likely to simply walk away. They're going to investigate. Hopefully they will reach the conclusion that you don't need to be charged with a crime and that a bullet hole is enough punishment..and that you're not a further danger to yourself or others.

 

Honestly, I could see Cook County prosecutors pressing charges and attempting to get your FOID and CCL revoked.

Yes, probably this.  Depending on where you live, you may have a strong likelihood of being charged.  While you should never lie to the police, there is no need to incriminate yourself by talking.


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 01:17 PM

Just when we thought we couldn't find any new type of youtube videos to watch...

 

 

 



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Posted 10 October 2018 - 03:04 PM

I'd love to know the story behind these vids...


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 04:49 PM

I'd love to know the story behind these vids...

Me too. Probably started/excaladed on Facebook. Time to blame them for a lot of the gun violence. 



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Posted 10 October 2018 - 07:15 PM

My wife thinks I'm nuts but I do a lot of "operating" on myself with a pocket knife. I'm no doctor, but it's never been a big thing to me as I have some experience with wounds and do have a strong tolerance for pain.

But... I hope those guys get some REAL medical attention - those little holes could go way down south pretty quick.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 12:27 PM

 

Yes, probably this.  Depending on where you live, you may have a strong likelihood of being charged.  While you should never lie to the police, there is no need to incriminate yourself by talking.

 

 

Lying to the police isn't illegal. HOWEVER...I think it's better to say as little as possible or nothing at all rather than lie. Let your lawyer do the talking. That's what he or she is paid to do...and you will make their job easier (and less expensive) if you say less rather than more.



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Posted 11 October 2018 - 12:39 PM

$Maybe if you were arguing with yourself, you could claim you shot yourself in self-defense and the SA find you justified$



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Posted 13 October 2018 - 02:45 PM

If might be best to just drive to Chicago right after it happens and then just go to a hospital and claim you were minding your own business and got shot. They get so many shootings I’m sure they wouldn’t spend much time on it if nobody got killed or seriously injured.

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 03:25 PM

that's some pretty extreme /r/popping....



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Posted 13 October 2018 - 09:51 PM

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Edited by TomKoz, 14 October 2018 - 08:35 AM.

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 12:07 AM

I would say the accident occurred on a boat and the guns were tragically lost after it happened...



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Posted 19 October 2018 - 06:41 AM

Just go get medical attention, let it get reported, say as little as possible about what happened until you talk to a lawyer. It’s your right.
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Posted 19 October 2018 - 09:30 AM

What are the legal penalties in Illinois  for a CCL holder that accidentally shoots himself? Is it best to report the incident or just grin and bear it?

Happened in Morton Grove the other day and the news report said no charges were filed. I know a guy who had a ND in his Chicago apartment (no injuries) and no charges were filed. But I suspect if the cops really wanted, they could charge with reckless discharge of firearm. 

How the heck can someone "grin and bear" a gun shot wound?!


Edited by AlphaKoncepts aka CGS, 19 October 2018 - 09:32 AM.

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