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#1 steveTA84

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:52 PM

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A Tennessee man says hes going to fight a citation recently issued by a Sumner County sheriffs deputy over an anti-gun control sticker on his truck. Nicholas Ennis says hes been driving around for about a year with the sticker displayed, but it wasnt until recently that he was told the sticker is obscene.

According to the Sumner County Sheriffs Office, the sticker falls under a Tennessee law prohibiting obscene obscene or patently offensive bumper stickers, window signs, etc. The sticker in question, which features two rifles and the letters u and c above the phrase gun control, is a no-no because of the expletive spelled out with the firearms and the letters, or so says the sheriff.


UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh, on the other hand, says its the citation thats problematic, and says the attempt to police Enniss sticker is clearly unconstitutional.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:58 PM

Seems to be the new liberal trend, as if attacking the 2nd isn't bad enough they are not attacking the 1st with no shame.

 

NY just outlawed the words "illegal alien" if it's used in a negative context, I HOPE that the courts slap NY in the face for the law but sadly I expect the liberal lower courts to play along with censorship.

 

https://www.foxnews....ien-immigration

 

It would appear the liberal interpretation of the 1st means it only applies to speech that matches their ideals, just like they insist the 2nd only applies to the military and certain arms.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 02:59 PM

This will be interesting to follow. It is time to push back on the political correctness attack on freedom of speech.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 03:23 PM

NY just outlawed the words "illegal alien" if it's used in a negative context, I HOPE that the courts slap NY in the face for the law but sadly I expect the liberal lower courts to play along with censorship.

 

OK, If I'm positive he was an illegal alien, is that negative?


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 03:43 PM

I think I'm not understanding something.  How is the letters "U" and "C" above the word "Gun Control" offensive?

It's blurred out in the picture, so I'm assuming the letters are drawn on top of a pair of butt cheeks or boobs or something else someone might find offensive.

Am I wrong?



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 03:53 PM

I think I'm not understanding something.  How is the letters "U" and "C" above the word "Gun Control" offensive?
It's blurred out in the picture, so I'm assuming the letters are drawn on top of a pair of butt cheeks or boobs or something else someone might find offensive.
Am I wrong?

One rifle is used as a letter before U and the other is a letter after C
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 03:58 PM

  NY just outlawed the words "illegal alien" if it's used in a negative context, I HOPE that the courts slap NY in the face for the law but sadly I expect the liberal lower courts to play along with censorship.  
I like how the left makes up clever terms so effortlessly. Maybe if if we were better wordsmiths. How about Space Invaders? Hmm, already taken by some video game.
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 04:53 PM

If it indeed spells out, "The F Word", even using guns for the "F" and the "K", I would think the citation would be justified. The meaning is clear.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 04:58 PM

So lets take the guns out
And then ask if having a simple gun on the window that simply says
F It ( of course spelled out)

Is having the word F an unlawful act?

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 04:58 PM

So much for freedom of speech 

 

Commies

Might as well burn books too



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 05:26 PM

So much for freedom of speech 

 

Commies

Might as well burn books too

Give them little time, we're almost there.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 06:02 PM

How about something a little less ignorant like "No Gun Control !"?


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 06:15 PM

If it indeed spells out, "The F Word", even using guns for the "F" and the "K", I would think the citation would be justified. The meaning is clear.

 

Nope.

 

https://reason.com/2...ontrol-sticker/


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 06:22 PM

If people can walk around with F Trump, F the NRA, F guns and be celebrated, then we can post this on our cars
https://www.amazon.c...=gateway&sr=8-3

Ive seen 1 or 2 around the area

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 06:52 PM

 

If it indeed spells out, "The F Word", even using guns for the "F" and the "K", I would think the citation would be justified. The meaning is clear.

 

Nope.

 

https://reason.com/2...ontrol-sticker/

 

 

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up!



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 09:17 AM

 

One rifle is used as a letter before U and the other is a letter after C

 

 

Ah, I see it now.  Thanks for the clarification.

So, it's a similar case with guy who got arrested for an "I eat a**" sticker on his truck.



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 01:02 PM

He'll fight the citation and probably win.

The end.

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 02:27 PM

He'll fight the citation and probably win.

The end.

 

My guess is with the national publicity it has received the department/prosecutor will drop the ticket like a hot potato!


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 04:27 PM

 

 

One rifle is used as a letter before U and the other is a letter after C

 

 

Ah, I see it now.  Thanks for the clarification.

So, it's a similar case with guy who got arrested for an "I eat a**" sticker on his truck.

 

When I was in college my cousin (not distant enough) has a sticker on the back of her car.

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She had a Chevelle and I had a Goat would have been a good run...


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 09:09 PM

He'll fight the citation and probably win.

The end.

 

I hope you're right.


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 09:31 PM

I sincerely doubt the cop who gave him the citation was "the left" or a liberal.

 

Let's just be honest there.

 

Plenty of folks on the right willing to engage in censorship, just like there are many folks on the right who are Gun-control Antis.



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 09:47 PM

I sincerely doubt the cop who gave him the citation was "the left" or a liberal.
 
Let's just be honest there.
 
Plenty of folks on the right willing to engage in censorship, just like there are many folks on the right who are Gun-control Antis.


+1. The right leaning pro gun control folks are worse than the left in my experience

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 10:01 PM

One rifle is used as a letter before U and the other is a letter after C

 
Ah, I see it now.  Thanks for the clarification.
So, it's a similar case with guy who got arrested for an "I eat a**" sticker on his truck.
When I was in college my cousin (not distant enough) has a sticker on the back of her car.
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She had a Chevelle and I had a Goat would have been a good run...

So the burning question is...........would you have?

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Posted 03 October 2019 - 04:42 AM

If it indeed spells out, "The F Word", even using guns for the "F" and the "K", I would think the citation would be justified. The meaning is clear.

 

It’s an illegal law that violates 1st amendment rights. Period. It will be thrown out in a heartbeat.

 

How about something a little less ignorant like "No Gun Control !"?


How about not picking and choosing which rights you want upheld? The 1st amendment invalidates the law and the citation.

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Posted 03 October 2019 - 08:25 AM

Cohen v California 403 U.S. 15.  This case is on point.  The Supreme Court ruled that "F the Draft" on a jacket was protected speech.


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Posted 03 October 2019 - 11:14 AM

If it indeed spells out, "The F Word", even using guns for the "F" and the "K", I would think the citation would be justified. The meaning is clear.

Yes, the Citation would applt, as the original law would.  HOWEVER, that law SHOULD be deemed Unconstitutional and an infringement of the 1st Amendment.  Who determines what is obscene, offensive.  WHom is that arbiter?  THis is WHY we have a 1st Amendment, because tyranny lies on the path where we let the Government determine what is offensive or obscene.


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Posted 03 October 2019 - 12:12 PM

Cohen v California 403 U.S. 15.  This case is on point.  The Supreme Court ruled that "F the Draft" on a jacket was protected speech.

 

It's really that simple, the Supreme Court has already ruled that that specific 4 letter word is fully protected 1st speech...


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Posted 03 October 2019 - 10:21 PM

There's another similar case working it's way through the system from a man that had a sticker on the back glass of his pickup truck that read "I EAT A**"


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Posted 03 October 2019 - 11:06 PM

There's another similar case working it's way through the system from a man that had a sticker on the back glass of his pickup truck that read "I EAT A**"

 

Charges were dropped within days of him being arrested, albeit last I heard he was considering suing the police for violating his rights.

 

https://www.orlandow...er-on-his-truck

 

"Having evaluated the evidence through the prism of Supreme Court precedent it is determined the Defendant has a valid defense to be raised under the First Amendment of our United States Constitution. Given such, a jury would not convict under these facts,"


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Posted 04 October 2019 - 06:39 AM

Seems to be the new liberal trend, as if attacking the 2nd isn't bad enough they are not attacking the 1st with no shame.

 

NY just outlawed the words "illegal alien" if it's used in a negative context, I HOPE that the courts slap NY in the face for the law but sadly I expect the liberal lower courts to play along with censorship.

 

https://www.foxnews....ien-immigration

 

It would appear the liberal interpretation of the 1st means it only applies to speech that matches their ideals, just like they insist the 2nd only applies to the military and certain arms.

 

This law is the one that scares me.  NY is blatantly ripping up the 1st amendment, and fining people up to $250,000 for "daring" to upset someone by calling them an illegal alien.  I really hope someone sues and gets punitive damages against NY.  Once a law like this is allowed to stand, we might as well give up even pretending to have a Bill of Rights.


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