Molly B. Posted February 22, 2019 at 03:53 PM Share Posted February 22, 2019 at 03:53 PM ISP Active FOID_2.21.2019.pdf ISP Active CCL 2.21.2019.pdf ISP- Revoked FOID Cards by County 2018.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted February 22, 2019 at 04:08 PM Share Posted February 22, 2019 at 04:08 PM I am surprised Cook laggs so far behind counties like Lake and Madison in terms of total CCL's. I think gun owners are just fleeing to the collar counties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Hunden Posted February 22, 2019 at 04:31 PM Share Posted February 22, 2019 at 04:31 PM I am surprised Cook laggs so far behind counties like Lake and Madison in terms of total CCL's. I think gun owners are just fleeing to the collar counties. ... or other states... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlin Posted February 22, 2019 at 04:49 PM Share Posted February 22, 2019 at 04:49 PM I am surprised Cook laggs so far behind counties like Lake and Madison in terms of total CCL's. I think gun owners are just fleeing to the collar counties.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrlandInstructor Posted February 22, 2019 at 05:44 PM Share Posted February 22, 2019 at 05:44 PM Thank you for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio24 Posted February 22, 2019 at 05:47 PM Share Posted February 22, 2019 at 05:47 PM I am surprised Cook laggs so far behind counties like Lake and Madison in terms of total CCL's. I think gun owners are just fleeing to the collar counties.? Cook total CCL 94,779Lake total CCL 13,800Madison CCL 11,808 Cook has almost 1/3 of the 325k CCLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted February 22, 2019 at 07:00 PM Share Posted February 22, 2019 at 07:00 PM I am surprised Cook laggs so far behind counties like Lake and Madison in terms of total CCL's. I think gun owners are just fleeing to the collar counties.? Cook total CCL 94,779Lake total CCL 13,800Madison CCL 11,808 Cook has almost 1/3 of the 325k CCLs. My eyes are not what they used to be, thought that was 138,000 in lake. Odd to see Cook with 1/3 of the CCL's and only 25% of the FOIDS though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted February 22, 2019 at 07:21 PM Share Posted February 22, 2019 at 07:21 PM Show that to the Moms. Five years ago, no citizens carried and now 325,000 are armed in public. Nothing changed. We didn't turn into the Wild West but the ghetto is still on fire like it always was. End ghetto violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted February 22, 2019 at 09:20 PM Share Posted February 22, 2019 at 09:20 PM Percentages... by county. CCL holders/FOID holders 15.75 Cook13.20 Lake16.70 Madison13.92 DuPage I'd guess that in the Chicago portion of Cook, there is a higher CCL/FOID % than the rest of Cook... but I'm really just guessing from looking at Lake and DuPage percentages. I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted February 22, 2019 at 11:54 PM Share Posted February 22, 2019 at 11:54 PM Didn’t we used to have a breakdown by male and female card holders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted February 23, 2019 at 12:30 AM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 12:30 AM 325,187 CCLs 5 years after they started issuing them. In every study that was being done on this, the predictive models pointed towards it leveling off at around 250K, or about 2 percent of the total population, right around this time, due to economic limitations and CCL holders dying or moving out of the state (which I can see is likely to be a trend with the forthcoming vomit of idiotic gun-control laws that are in the works). It pleases me to no end that we've already exceeded that plateau by 30 percent and continuing to grow. It appears that by the end of this year, we might even hit 3 percent of the population if the rate of growth keeps up. That's quite heartening. Even better, right around 18 percent of the population has FOID cards, and I suspect that the vast majority of those are gun rights supporters. Illinois has about 8 million-odd voters, so that's more than 28.5 percent of the registered voters who have FOIDs, and I can't imagine that less than 90 percent of those are opposed to gun control. How can this MASSIVE block of voters be convinced and mobilized to vote for what literally is the most important right they have, and to get out of office those idiots who threaten it? It seems utterly unbelievable that what would likely be one of the two or three largest blocks of voters wouldn't be able to swing the election in a large number of races, including the Governor's race. Or, are they just so scattered among the rest of the population that they are simply diluted too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrlandInstructor Posted February 23, 2019 at 01:57 AM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 01:57 AM It would be interesting to see how many people renew their licensed whenever that data is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted February 23, 2019 at 02:06 AM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 02:06 AM I know several people in my area have refused to get their CCL until the fee structure becomes more reasonable and affordable, myself included. At one time, my county was the 2nd highest percentage in the state for CCL holders, by county. It'll go up by a good margin if those fees ever become more reasonable for low/fixed income citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted February 24, 2019 at 03:27 PM Share Posted February 24, 2019 at 03:27 PM I know several people in my area have refused to get their CCL until the fee structure becomes more reasonable and affordable, myself included. At one time, my county was the 2nd highest percentage in the state for CCL holders, by county. It'll go up by a good margin if those fees ever become more reasonable for low/fixed income citizens. I guess it's time for a gofundme to pay lawyers to sue the state over "poll tax" there is on our constitutional right to carry a firearm, those most needing can't afford it. I've been harping for 5 years this is complete BS. I can afford the license but I can't afford the lawyer(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipshot Percussion Posted February 24, 2019 at 03:43 PM Share Posted February 24, 2019 at 03:43 PM I always figured the Public Transportation ban was the biggest crimp in someone getting a CCL, especially in Cook and the collar counties. So many people take train and bus to work while using PT just to get around the city every day, why would anyone put out that kind of money and for all practical purposes, never be able to carry? If and when that ban ever gets shot down, I think you would see a new rush to get a CCL. Edited to add I just ran a few quick numbers. I fully expected Cook to be at the bottom of this list. It would seem more Cook FOID holders have CCLs than the other randomly picked Counties. So, maybe the PT ban isn't as much of a deterrent as I thought - though without the PT ban, the numbers could still be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted February 24, 2019 at 08:02 PM Share Posted February 24, 2019 at 08:02 PM Molly, is there any way to get explanations of the revocation numbers, i.e. how many are revoked for no longer being residents of Illinois? Are they smart enough to make allowances for revocations for people who have left the state, as opposed for revocations due to crimes, mental health etc? I ask this in the hopes that you have a source (that got you this data) that can shed light upon the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted February 24, 2019 at 08:25 PM Share Posted February 24, 2019 at 08:25 PM Molly, is there any way to get explanations of the revocation numbers, i.e. how many are revoked for no longer being residents of Illinois? Are they smart enough to make allowances for revocations for people who have left the state, as opposed for revocations due to crimes, mental health etc? I ask this in the hopes that you have a source (that got you this data) that can shed light upon the question.Assuming they have the data, it might be available via FOIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted February 24, 2019 at 10:28 PM Share Posted February 24, 2019 at 10:28 PM Percentages... by county. CCL holders/FOID holders 15.75 Cook 13.20 Lake 16.70 Madison 13.92 DuPage I'd guess that in the Chicago portion of Cook, there is a higher CCL/FOID % than the rest of Cook... but I'm really just guessing from looking at Lake and DuPage percentages. I could be wrong. I was looking at some of the CCL numbers for Southern Illinois counties and I wonder if Pope county has the highest percentage of people with FOIDs and CCLs. It looks like about 41% of the population has a FOID card and 6.7% of the population has a CCL and about 16% of FOID card holders also have a CCL. Pope has a small population so the number of CCLs is only 287. Does anyone's county have a higher percentage of CCLs? I imagine the fact that there is no carry allowed on public transportation and in restaurants, with liquor licenses in Chicago and lack of ranges in the city has an effect on the COOK county numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted February 24, 2019 at 11:45 PM Share Posted February 24, 2019 at 11:45 PM Why are the numbers of CCL and FOID owners available to the public? Shouldn't it be confidential information that's only available to the police? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted February 24, 2019 at 11:51 PM Share Posted February 24, 2019 at 11:51 PM Why are the numbers of CCL and FOID owners available to the public? Shouldn't it be confidential information that's only available to the police? The numbers are available, but the information on who the owners are should not be. It's good for the cause for the public to be aware of just how many people support and use firearms; it shows that it's a large amount of people, not just a scattered few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted February 25, 2019 at 12:07 AM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 12:07 AM Percentages... by county. CCL holders/FOID holders 15.75 Cook13.20 Lake16.70 Madison13.92 DuPage I'd guess that in the Chicago portion of Cook, there is a higher CCL/FOID % than the rest of Cook... but I'm really just guessing from looking at Lake and DuPage percentages. I could be wrong. Does anyone's county have a higher percentage of CCLs? I imagine the fact that there is no carry allowed on public transportation and in restaurants, with liquor licenses in Chicago and lack of ranges in the cityhas an effect on the COOK county numbers. Possibly for some...There are many denizens of the jungle who never use mass transit. I am but one. This negates any issues with transportation systems, target practice and places we can carry while dining out. If I intend to imbibe while dining, I don't carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted February 25, 2019 at 02:26 PM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 02:26 PM Didn’t we used to have a breakdown by male and female card holders?I've been getting the #s broken down by county and gender every 6 months. Things have been hectic enough that I haven't been able to post them in a timely manner. Hopefully soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymous too Posted February 25, 2019 at 03:04 PM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 03:04 PM Why are the numbers of CCL and FOID owners available to the public? Shouldn't it be confidential information that's only available to the police? FOID and FTIP specific individual information is private and can't be FOIA'd. Dart had language added to the law so the state police could notify a specific county of a revocation notice. He's now asking for the FTIP data, if any, for revocations too. The total amount of FOID's reveals no personal information. I'm unaware if the state has released FTIP totals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted February 25, 2019 at 06:52 PM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 06:52 PM Percentages... by county. CCL holders/FOID holders 15.75 Cook 13.20 Lake 16.70 Madison 13.92 DuPage I'd guess that in the Chicago portion of Cook, there is a higher CCL/FOID % than the rest of Cook... but I'm really just guessing from looking at Lake and DuPage percentages. I could be wrong. Does anyone's county have a higher percentage of CCLs? I imagine the fact that there is no carry allowed on public transportation and in restaurants, with liquor licenses in Chicago and lack of ranges in the city has an effect on the COOK county numbers. Possibly for some... There are many denizens of the jungle who never use mass transit. I am but one. This negates any issues with transportation systems, target practice and places we can carry while dining out. If I intend to imbibe while dining, I don't carry. Won't most Chicago restaurants other than fast food have a liquor license that they get on the condition they post even if less than 50% of their income is from alcohol sales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted February 25, 2019 at 07:38 PM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 07:38 PM I'm unaware if the state has released FTIP totals.I havent looked at the data so not sure what is included and if it goes through 2011 or 2017 https://data.illinois.gov/dataset/553isp_firearm_transfer_inquiry_ftip_requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymous too Posted February 25, 2019 at 09:09 PM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 09:09 PM The Feds release NICS data by total and state totals each month. IL is on the list. https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year_by_state.pdf/view Difficult to read even after enlarging, but NICS know the type of transfer(in yellow) Handgun, Long Gun, Other, Multiple. https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year_by_state_type.pdf/view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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