InterestedBystander Posted May 31, 2017 at 05:47 AM Share Posted May 31, 2017 at 05:47 AM Representative Ives admits she has an FOID _and_ a concealed carry license. wonders why this bill exists since people shooting at the tannerite will already have an FOID card ... thinks this bill would be unnecessary. Rep. Morrison was the genesis of the bill. generated by the illinois chiefs of police "who know what they're doing"So no one mentioned in debate that this is an FTIP call to buy a consumable product... Thought that was removed on one of the amendments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 31, 2017 at 01:18 PM Share Posted May 31, 2017 at 01:18 PM Representative Ives admits she has an FOID _and_ a concealed carry license. wonders why this bill exists since people shooting at the tannerite will already have an FOID card ... thinks this bill would be unnecessary. Rep. Morrison was the genesis of the bill. generated by the illinois chiefs of police "who know what they're doing"So no one mentioned in debate that this is an FTIP call to buy a consumable product... Thought that was removed on one of the amendments? From the summary page: Senate Floor Amendment No. 2 Deletes reference to: 430 ILCS 65/3.1Deletes language in Senate Amendment No. 1 providing that upon receiving a request from a federally licensed firearm dealer, the Department of State Police shall immediately approve or disprove the delivery of pre-packaged explosive components and notify the inquiring dealer of any objection that would disqualify the transferee from acquiring or possessing pre-packaged explosive components. Deletes language providing that in conducting the inquiry, the Department of State Police shall initiate and complete an automated search of its criminal history record information files and those of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, including the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and of the files of the Department of Human Services relating to mental health and developmental disabilities to obtain any felony conviction or patient hospitalization information which would disqualify a person from obtaining or require revocation of a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 31, 2017 at 01:27 PM Share Posted May 31, 2017 at 01:27 PM I am re-reading the bill now, as "engrossed". Well, it has some conflicting language in it, that's for sure. And it looks like an FTF exchange becomes a transfer that you need a number for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeterlancer Posted May 31, 2017 at 03:36 PM Share Posted May 31, 2017 at 03:36 PM Does SB315 include reloading components as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 31, 2017 at 04:00 PM Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 at 04:00 PM I don't think so. Double base powders are pre-mixed (if mixed is an accurate way to describe it), and no smokeless powder is considered an explosive. Black powder is a low explosive but isn't binary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted June 1, 2017 at 03:36 PM Share Posted June 1, 2017 at 03:36 PM Got me thinking I really need to read the bill more closely.If powders are covered...Still angry so many dumb Republicans voted for the bill, especially when you look at all the loopholes.You can sell ammonal targets as two components that need purchases separately. Tannerite also can be split up and sold separately.If this bill was supposed to be an anti-terrorism bill, then they failed to consider bulk purchasers would not be buying pre-packaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemikos Posted June 1, 2017 at 04:29 PM Share Posted June 1, 2017 at 04:29 PM So, if I go into a big box store and buy a bag of fertilizer for the wife's garden and a jug of fuel oil for the garage heater, the cashier has to do a background check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted June 1, 2017 at 04:46 PM Share Posted June 1, 2017 at 04:46 PM I don't think so. Double base powders are pre-mixed (if mixed is an accurate way to describe it), and no smokeless powder is considered an explosive. Black powder is a low explosive but isn't binary. Powders are not included, have to be unmixed and pre-packaged containing 2 or more substances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted June 1, 2017 at 04:48 PM Share Posted June 1, 2017 at 04:48 PM So, if I go into a big box store and buy a bag of fertilizer for the wife's garden and a jug of fuel oil for the garage heater, the cashier has to do a background check?Not unless they are packaged together unmixed. Two single materials sold independently are not regulated by this bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemikos Posted June 2, 2017 at 12:48 AM Share Posted June 2, 2017 at 12:48 AM So, if I go into a big box store and buy a bag of fertilizer for the wife's garden and a jug of fuel oil for the garage heater, the cashier has to do a background check? Not unless they are packaged together unmixed.Two single materials sold independently are not regulated by this bill.Gotcha, thanks. Leave it to the ILGA to come up with a "solution" that doesn't affect criminals at all, mildly inconveniences legitimate users, and has no effect on the (non-existent) "problem" whatsoever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted June 3, 2017 at 06:29 PM Share Posted June 3, 2017 at 06:29 PM Leave it to the ILGA to come up with a "solution" that doesn't affect criminals at all, mildly inconveniences legitimate users, and has no effect on the (non-existent) "problem" whatsoever...Exactly. You would think they would fix existing issues, such as no budget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 3, 2017 at 06:51 PM Share Posted June 3, 2017 at 06:51 PM Leave it to the ILGA to come up with a "solution" that doesn't affect criminals at all, mildly inconveniences legitimate users, and has no effect on the (non-existent) "problem" whatsoever... Exactly. You would think they would fix existing issues, such as no budget...or unlawful use of an elephant...oh, wait...they did fix that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted June 3, 2017 at 11:09 PM Share Posted June 3, 2017 at 11:09 PM or unlawful use of an elephant...oh, wait...they did fix that!When you outlaw elephants only outlaws will have elephants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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