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#1 InterestedBystander

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 05:29 PM

HB0370 to HB0807. In addition to the shell bills already filed this session...

replacing "the" with "the" and/or "and" with "and"

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#2 mauserme

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 05:59 PM

Indeed, he did.

We'll get the official bill list and volunteers thread going in the next day or two.

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 07:01 PM

Shell bills should be illegal. File a bill and if it changes file a new one. This is a shell game for the corrupt.
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 07:24 PM

How many of these are likely to be Trojan horses for anti-firearm legislation?


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 07:43 PM

Madigan has been planning this for 4 years; I am sure every single bill he wants to pass this year is already written and he has made it clear in private which bills must be 100% supported. 

 

I doubt the real zingers will be in the public eye long enough for anyone to comment.

 

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 07:49 PM

Here comes the Totalitarian people's republic of Illannoy. 


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 11:31 PM

Shell bills should be illegal. File a bill and if it changes file a new one. This is a shell game for the corrupt.


For real! Seems really shady!

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 01:58 AM

I wish the idiot voters of this state would get a clue and stop voting for Madigan stooges in the House who in turn vote to keep Madigan as speaker.



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Posted 18 January 2019 - 03:56 AM

How do shell Bill's work? What's the advantage of doing this? Someone educate me about this.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 04:51 AM

How do shell Bill's work? What's the advantage of doing this? Someone educate me about this.

 

The shell aka fake bills like this have already started their way through all the initial procedural hoops (usually to fulfill filing date requirements) then at the last moment they erase it and amend it to something more ominous and attempt to sneak it to the finish line as law without people (and even many of the legislatures) being aware it was amended to be something totally different, this also prevents lobbyist and/or activist from being given ample or even any time to call their elected officials and give input.

 

The short of it, it's playing dirty.and avoiding transparency.

 

This website link gives a more detailed overview https://www.illinois...s-a-shell-game/


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 07:18 AM

They get away with it because they can. No one holds them accountable.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 12:33 PM

This is not new, and has been going on for decades, AFAIK.
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 12:36 PM

This is not new, and has been going on for decades, AFAIK.
Both sides use this shady vehicle.

Oh, I know both sides use them and I get the tactical/strategic perspective in spite of it not being transparent and hiding things through shennanigans, but...over 400 in one day? I just don't remember seeing that many at one time but maybe I wasn't paying attention.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 12:49 PM

 

This is not new, and has been going on for decades, AFAIK.
Both sides use this shady vehicle.

Oh, I know both sides use them and I get the tactical/strategic perspective in spite of it not being transparent and hiding things through shennanigans, but...over 400 in one day? I just don't remember seeing that many at one time but maybe I wasn't paying attention.

 

400 is not unusual, If I recall correctly



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Posted 18 January 2019 - 01:01 PM

 

 

This is not new, and has been going on for decades, AFAIK.
Both sides use this shady vehicle.

Oh, I know both sides use them and I get the tactical/strategic perspective in spite of it not being transparent and hiding things through shennanigans, but...over 400 in one day? I just don't remember seeing that many at one time but maybe I wasn't paying attention.

 

400 is not unusual, If I recall correctly

 

 

The number is not unusual, but it's unusual for so many to be passed so early in the session.  From what I remember usually, the onslaught of shell bills are passed at the stroke of midnight as deadlines approach.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 01:27 PM

It isn't just Speaker Madigan. In the coming days you'll see similar numbers of shell bills filed by House Minority Leader Durkin, Senate President Cullerton, and Senate Minority Leader Brady.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 02:21 PM

 

400 is not unusual, If I recall correctly

 

 

 

The number is not unusual, but it's unusual for so many to be passed so early in the session.  From what I remember usually, the onslaught of shell bills are passed at the stroke of midnight as deadlines approach.

 

Filed with the clerk is not the same as passed.



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Posted 18 January 2019 - 05:19 PM

Filed with the clerk is not the same as passed.

 

 

Agree, I should have said filed instead of passed, same holds true.  Generally, the shell bills are dumped as the deadline to file new bills approaches not this early.


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Posted 19 January 2019 - 02:14 AM

Shell bills should not be allowed, so stupid.
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Posted 28 January 2019 - 05:09 PM

I guess 400+ wasn't enough. Looks like Madigan filed several hundred more shell bills today.
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Posted 29 January 2019 - 05:59 AM

When this tactic is used, it only serves to prove, without a single doubt, that our elected officials are going directly against what we the people actually want them to do. We no longer have a voice in government. We have slave owners, and we're just their revenue stream.

It surprises me there hasn't been anyone that has challenged this process from a legal standpoint.


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