abolt243 Posted April 27, 2017 at 07:38 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 07:38 PM "With leave of the body, we'll return to 1657". Trying to blow through as many with no opposition as possible before getting bogged down with discussion. Or, they don't have the votes.I'm not sure how to read it. Senator Harmon's in the Chair. If he retires to the floor we'll probably see some action. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:10 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:10 PM And Senator Muñoz is in the Chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countyline Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:11 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:11 PM Do we know where Rauner stands on this...should it pass both houses ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:15 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:15 PM I don't, but I hope the Department of Professional opposing it would carry some weight with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowhouse5 Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:17 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:17 PM sound just go out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:19 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:19 PM SB1657 Gun Dealer Licensing is up on the Senate floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:19 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:19 PM The bill is returned to 2nd reading and Amendment 1 is adopted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:19 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:19 PM Back on third reading, Senator Harmon introduces his bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:21 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:21 PM He states that 60% of guns recovered from crime scenes are from out of state, and 40% from in state. He says that when the gun running bill was passed last session, dealer licensing was discussed as a companion bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowhouse5 Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:21 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:21 PM "This is not a perfect bill" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:22 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:22 PM He describes the exemptions meant to remove opposition. He says it is not a perfect bill, and continues with additional statistics pointing to his desire to target 3 specific dealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:23 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:23 PM Senator Righter asks the sponsor if the bill, as amended, exempts certain types of dealers from a licensing requirement. In reply to a non-specific answer from the sponsor, Senator Righter asks for more details and Senator Harmon outlines the exemptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:26 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:26 PM Senator Righter asks why the bill exempts dealers selling a small percentage of firearms. The Sponsor adds statistics, and says politically he is trying to remove as many opponents as he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:27 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:27 PM Senator Righter states that this is an unfair burden on smaller dealers when the larger dealers who can most afford duplicative licensing are exempt. He urges a no vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:29 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:29 PM Senator Raoul states that this is no burden "on the responsible gun owner", a given since it is a gun dealer bill. He adds that the big box stores are not "the bad actors" - that he thinks it's OK to target "the bad actors". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:32 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:32 PM Senator Rose asks Senator Harmon to elaborate on the political reasons behind the amendment. Senator Harmon says that he tried to reduce opposition, then continues in the vein of "very modest regulation". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countyline Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:34 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:34 PM Rose is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:34 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:34 PM Senator Rose adds that he represents a lot of business owners trying to compete against big box stores. He notes the irony of Chicago doing everything they can to keep Walmart out of the city but now promotes a bill giving them a competitive advantage over smaller dealers. He also dispels the myth that gun dealers aren't already licensed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:37 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:37 PM Senator Rose explains gun raffles as fund raisers for local groups. He explains that at every event he's seen, federally licensed dealers complete the transaction - without exception. He adds that he understands the sponsor wants to represent the "big boys", but he (Senator Rose) doesn't represent the big boys. He represents the moms and pops putting food on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:38 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:38 PM Senator Anderson asks when we will acknowledge that more regulation isn't the answer to violence. He states that Illinois has more gun regulation than almost anywhere else. That guns bought legally are not being used in crime. He suggests that "if you want to vote for this bill for whatever reason you have" go right ahead, but don't say it's to reduce gun crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:42 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:42 PM Senator McCarter asks about the fee schedule.Senator Harmon says that although the fees are not specified in the bill he doesn't think they' be very high.Senator McCarter says this is a problem, especially for small gun dealers. He adds that criminals are not going to these small dealers to buy guns. These dealers are just trying to make a living.He adds that just because gun violence hasn't touched his family directly, that doesn't mean he's tolerant of the violence, but that he has to protect the businesses in his district. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:44 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:44 PM Senator McConchie asks the sponsor how many guns the 40% he mentioned earlier actually is. Senator Harmon does not know the answer. Senator McConchie asks why the bill goes all the way down to 10 gun transfers. Senator Harmon says he's trying to build support for the bill - that this exempts large dealers. He seems disinterested in discussing larger numbers , saying he doubts it would gain any votes. He then blames the NRA for all the world's problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowhouse5 Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:45 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:45 PM Hearing from McConchie makes me happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:48 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:48 PM Senator McConchie adds that even if this bill would not force dealers out of business under the current Governor, it very well could force them out of business under a future Governor who sets different fees, etc. He urges a no vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:50 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:50 PM Senator Radogno says she struggles with this bill and asks the sponsor how we can narrow the bill to the specific issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:51 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:51 PM Senator Harmon says he would like to refine this very much. Apparently the third reading deadline is a greater concern for him than keeping businesses open in Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianj - now in Kansas Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:52 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:52 PM The thing that blows my mind about this is that Sen. Harmon is insisting this is just going after 3 gun shops who have issues.Logically, this indicates that he has proof that there are bad actors there. If he has proof, he should go after them using current laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:53 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:53 PM Senator Radogno says she would be happy to work with the sponsor, but before it's passed, not after. At this point she would be a no vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowhouse5 Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:53 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:53 PM "we have to do something"An argument from the weak minded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:53 PM Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:53 PM The thing that blows my mind about this is that Sen. Harmon is insisting this is just going after 3 gun shops who have issues. Logically, this indicates that he has proof that there are bad actors there. If he has proof, he should go after them using current laws. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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