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ISRA, Drury both try to claim Raoul inserted poison pill into gun bill

 

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...Earlier today, State Representative Scott Drury (D-Highwood) blasted State Senator Kwame Raoul (D-Chicago) for gutting Illinois proposed bump stock ban: As students around the country were walking out of schools to honor the slain students in Parkland, Florida and advocate for more responsible gun laws, Raoul was slaughtering Illinois proposed bump stock ban in order to appease the Illinois State Rifle Association, said Drury. This continues Raouls horrendous record on assault weapons....

 

...While Raouls amended bill removes the prohibition on assault weapons bans, it makes the bill virtually impossible to pass in the House, said Drury. According to Drury, the requisite number of votes do not exist in the House, and Raoul knows that. Raoul should be ashamed of himself, Drury stated. He talks a good game about responsible gun laws and then makes sure those laws cant pass....

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One of the senators that railed against the bill in the floor debate said that the amendment was a poison pill. Do the dems want this to be killed off in the house to keep the issue for later, maybe a more politically advantageous time? I assumed that the poison pill was for Rauner, maybe there is something else going on?

 

I don't see how their own people voting against it would be to their advantage.

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One of the senators that railed against the bill in the floor debate said that the amendment was a poison pill. Do the dems want this to be killed off in the house to keep the issue for later, maybe a more politically advantageous time? I assumed that the poison pill was for Rauner, maybe there is something else going on?

 

I don't see how their own people voting against it would be to their advantage.

 

 

Just spit balling here, but if the house doesn't accept the changes the issue is kept alive until the end of the legislative session to be brought up anytime. Furthermore, the dems already are saying that Rauner is in the pocket of the NRA and indifferent to the suffering of the children because of his veto of the licensing bill. So, in essence, they already have their talking point and sound byte for their advertisements against Rauner, so perhaps this bill isn't so important in their eyes, and might be used as additional leverage if needed later.

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They can't afford to give the Governor a bill he can sign. It would make him look like the reasonable voice in the room and politically neutralize the veto up north, if not turn it all into a victory. Especially after the Tribune editorialized against the dealer licensing bill as being too onerous.

 

You have a better feel for this stuff than me. But a bill defeated in part by down state Democrats account a 'poison pill' goes a long way to prove the Antis' shrillness. And that should be useful to both the Governor and ourselves. Are they between a rock and a hard place with this?

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I know Todd has repeatedly mentioned the antis are still way way butt hurt over the CCL law from 5 years ago. I would say he is correct, but really...neither side got everything they wanted for CCL, the antis have pretty much killed all the pro bills since then, and are at least getting their bills to the floor...yet they continue to act crazy.
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Raoul hates gun ownership. Keep that in mind while analyzing

 

 

 

His actions aren't about ideology, policy or public safety, its pure political maneuvering. His number one priority here is to put the governor in a trick bag. The democrats want total control of this state's budget so they can continue to enrich themselves even as the state hurtles towards insolvency. He may hate guns but that's not going to stop him from torpedoing a gun bill if it benefits him.

 

I think this really reflects Raoul's attitude toward Illinois residents. He thinks that the citizens of Illinois are too dumb to figure out what he is doing, he doesn't really care about their safety, he's not really committed to any particular ideology, he's just an ambitious politician committed to moving up the political ladder.

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This is all because Rauner said he would sign a bump stock ban. So they had to make sure the bill was bad enough that he wouldn't sign it. Then they blast him for going back on his word. Also if they gave him a good bill then Rauner gets credit (or discredit by gun owners) for signing it into law. They want him to veto it to make him look bad.

 

I also think this is also a little jab between senate and the house. Making madigan have to either force it through by forcing the downstate dems to sign or tos how he can't control all the Dems. This is my thought as they have always had a luttle bit of in fighting and try to make the other look unreasonable.

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This was done purely to get Rauner out. Think about the optics... "Rauner can't even sign a simple bump-stock ban... something Trump believes in, the NRA potentially agrees with and almost everyone unilaterally thinks is a purely entertainment device..." The reality would be blocking that stupid amendment. But that will somehow get missed by general media. This was brilliant on their part, but has nothing to do, as usual, with gun control. Pure and simple politics.

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I think most voters are indifferent on gun control. You can either full on 2A, like us good folks here, or you are totally against it, but most folks fall somewhere in the middle. I don't know any apathetic people (which is what most people are) who would let gun control decide their vote. Lot's of gun owners don't even pay attention, they think a gun ban won't happen and until it really does, they don't care. The average non gun owner don't care one way or anothe either. I guess what I'm trying to say is this, how many votes will a politician get strictly because of their position on guns? I'd wager a pro gun candidate would get more strictly because of the gun issue, but I don't think an election in Illinois will be decided by guns.
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"For every thing there is a reason".........I don't care for Senator Raoul, but I don't believe his personal agenda clouded his judgement nor do I think he is stupid. I do believe that he is a tool for the Chicago Democrat machine and is doing as he was told. The underlying reasons are all of the above.

 

Boiled down, it's all politics and power. IMHO, of the 177 bodies in those two chambers, very few actually care more about the people of the state and the state itself than they do their own power and enrichment.

 

But then, I've been known to be a "little" cynical.

 

AB

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"For every thing there is a reason".........I don't care for Senator Raoul, but I don't believe his personal agenda clouded his judgement nor do I think he is stupid. I do believe that he is a tool for the Chicago Democrat machine and is doing as he was told. The underlying reasons are all of the above.

 

Boiled down, it's all politics and power. IMHO, of the 177 bodies in those two chambers, very few actually care more about the people of the state and the state itself than they do their own power and enrichment.

 

But then, I've been known to be a "little" cynical.

 

AB

I'd just call it wisdom, AB!
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