vito Posted October 5, 2020 at 01:39 PM Share Posted October 5, 2020 at 01:39 PM IL was the last state in the nation to have some type of legal concealed carry. We all know that we would never have reached where we are if this was solely in the hands of Democrat politicians that control the state of Illinois. The rulings of the Supreme Court including McDonald vs. City of Chicago forced the state to give us concealed carry, and despite the efforts to limit this status, hundreds of thousands of us have a license now to carry a concealed handgun. But the Democrats have vowed to "pack" the Supreme Court with as many members as needed to ensure that a Leftist majority ends up controlling the Court. Should this occur, there seems little doubt that among the rulings that such a Court would make would be a reversal of the view that the 2nd Amendment is, in fact, an individual right. Does anyone doubt that if the Supreme Court moved in that direction, IL would go back to where we were prior to 2014 and our right to carry would be just a fading memory. This makes it all the more important for us to do whatever we can with our votes and money to make sure that Donald Trump gets to serve another four years, and that the Republicans continue to control the U.S. Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted October 5, 2020 at 02:25 PM Share Posted October 5, 2020 at 02:25 PM Wouldn't make a difference. Speaking from a peaceful protest in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted October 5, 2020 at 02:54 PM Share Posted October 5, 2020 at 02:54 PM It is a distinct possibility that a packed leftwing court would end our right to legally carry. We all know that several justices don't believe in the 2nd amendment at all. Any appointed by Biden also would not, and may be happy to take a court case in which they could do our rights much more harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted October 5, 2020 at 03:04 PM Share Posted October 5, 2020 at 03:04 PM This is akin to asking whether bears dump in the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted October 5, 2020 at 03:21 PM Share Posted October 5, 2020 at 03:21 PM If the Dems pack the supreme court, I think what we'll see is an eventual elimination of all gun rights on a national level.The 2nd will become symbolic only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted October 5, 2020 at 04:13 PM Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 at 04:13 PM Also, packing the Supreme Court is a great thing to talk about butit hasn't been done in 150 years. Its been over 150 years without a major political party heck bent on a radical transformation of the nation, and being led by openly socialist/Marxist believers and willing cohorts. That an AOC or Ilhan Omar can be elected by citizens of the U.S. shows how far this nation has already been transformed. I can forgive well meaning but naive people who voted for Obama, the first time, out of their sense of wanting to right historic wrongs and to virtue signal by electing the first black President. But when he showed his political worldview during his first term, I cannot forgive those that voted for him again. Hilary Clinton no longer holds sway over the Democrats, and not because she is a loser, a nasty person and totally unfit to be a leader, but because she is insufficiently Leftist. I have little doubt that should Biden/Harris win the White House, and Democrats take over the Senate, our 2nd Amendment will be eliminated as a meaningful protection against the heavy hand of government. Maybe that is what the people of this nation want, despite the sizable number of people who would oppose such a move. Just as many have left Illinois for states where their freedoms are better protected and honored, many Americans might consider leaving should these Democrat radicals take over the country. Where to go, however, is a question that I cannot answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted October 5, 2020 at 04:23 PM Share Posted October 5, 2020 at 04:23 PM Also, packing the Supreme Court is a great thing to talk about butit hasn't been done in 150 years.We also have NEVER had a Dem party shifted as far left, who has shown via actions, not just words, that they will try to keep power, by any means necessary. Not in the 6 decades I've experienced. FDR was stopped, because the press, his party, etc. both saw this as taboo, and strategically stupid. The Press is leading the charge about it, and a LARGE portion of the Dem party are with them, and see nothing wrong with 'changing the rules' to win and KEEP power. It's different today, enough that this IS a legitimate concern. Additionally, today's Dem WANTS a legislating Court, in order to force their progressive ideas on everyone, regardless of votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted October 5, 2020 at 04:52 PM Share Posted October 5, 2020 at 04:52 PM Sociopaths will do ANYTHING to gain and keep power. That's the Leftocrat party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted October 5, 2020 at 06:16 PM Share Posted October 5, 2020 at 06:16 PM 100 years ago the post-revolution Mexican government re-wrote their constitution, and the split the "Right to Keep and Bear Arms" into two rights:The right to keep, and the right to bear.And as of right now, if you are a Mexican citizen, you have the right to beg your government for the privilege of exercising the right to keep by buying an approved firearm at the only firearms store in the nation.The "right to bear" is now non-existent, it's just weasel words in Mexico unless you are LEO or Military. Meanwhile their country is run by competing organized crime groups. Just a cautionary tale...Mexico had their revolution 50 years after our civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted October 5, 2020 at 06:56 PM Share Posted October 5, 2020 at 06:56 PM Read the dissents in Heller, it answers the question the Left simply does not believe it's a right of the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Posted October 6, 2020 at 04:52 AM Share Posted October 6, 2020 at 04:52 AM Jimmy Carter packed the 9th district court, increasing the size from 16 to 23. Forty years later, it's still one-sided. How did that work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfcreek Posted October 6, 2020 at 06:44 PM Share Posted October 6, 2020 at 06:44 PM Turn out the lights.The partys over.The Republican party has not got what it takes to stand up to these people.If you think they do,your a fool.Ya better git it up ! There's a storm comin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted October 6, 2020 at 07:14 PM Share Posted October 6, 2020 at 07:14 PM Turn out the lights.The partys over.The Republican party has not got what it takes to stand up to these people.If you think they do,your a fool.Ya better git it up ! There's a storm cominBack to the basement Joe. How do you suggest we stand up to them in the event they hold both offices they need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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