max503 Posted June 21, 2020 at 01:48 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 01:48 PM I'm buying a long gun. The gun store is within 1000 feet (or yards, I'm not sure) of a school. Because of that they told me I need a hard, lockable case to put the gun in. I have a guitar case. Think that will work if I put a hasp on it? It irks me that I have to buy a case just to pick up my gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rilo Posted June 21, 2020 at 01:56 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 01:56 PM I think this is bs. My old ffl was near a school and you could use any case for is, including a transparent bag. You can’t do nothing as they don’t have to hand over any firearm, I would just do it unfortunately as you can’t win this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:01 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:01 PM What's the name of the store? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:16 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:16 PM Another clueless store making up the rules as they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max503 Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:17 PM Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:17 PM What's the name of the store?It's a Rural King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmart Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:21 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:21 PM You have a friend you can borrow one from, or are they just trying to sell you a case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:29 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:29 PM I think it's a misinterpretation, or overly cautious application, of 18 U.S.C. § 922( q )( 2 )( A ), which prohibits firearm possession within 1,000' of a school. There are exceptions to the prohibition, one of them being that the firearm be unloaded and in a locked case. Another is that the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to possess it and that the licensing procedure verifies that the person is qualified to possess it. A FOID card is usually taken to be such a license. But Rilo is right - if they won't give it to you you'll need to come up with something. I don't see why a locked guitar case wouldn't work but that's up to the gun store to decide. The code doesn't say what kind of case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:32 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:32 PM There is nothing in the law that I am aware of that states this, federal or state. Unfortunately you are going to have to play by their rules unless you can back out of the sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:36 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:36 PM ATF spells things out pretty well in their Gun Free School Zone Notice. The first column of the last page provides the answer under General Information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:37 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:37 PM "My locking case is in the parking lot. Can I bring it around back and position it right at the back door where your clerk can deposit the cardboard box, which is another case that is legal in Illinois, into my locking case?Perhaps if I pull my locking case into your garage?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkhalil61 Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:58 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:58 PM Heres a suggestion- find another FFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:59 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 02:59 PM Ask for a full refund and buy from someone else that will follow the law, or to supply a store acceptable container at no charge. If the factory box is not acceptable then how did they receive it legally? ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Posted June 21, 2020 at 03:22 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 03:22 PM What's the name of the store?It's a Rural King. I bought a pistol from then once from their RK Guns site. The sale price was too good to pass up. They called 3 or 4 days later to tell me the gun had been received in the Mattoon store. It was another couple of days before I could get over there to pick it up. That store is about an hour from me. I took the receipt and drove over there to fill out the 4473. It was approved right away, but they wouldn't let me take the gun. They tole me the 72 hour wait started when they got the approval back. I politely showed the guy at the gun counter my dated receipt and told him, according to the statute, the 72 hours starts when the agreement to purchase (in this case, the actual exchange of funds) is made. He said everyone else I deal with is wrong and wouldn't give me the pistol. I had to make another trip. That was my first and last firearm purchase from them. I get to the Vandalia store once in a while. The next time I'm there, I think I'll ask at their gun counter what the policy is. Long story longer, RK has their policies and you have to abide by them if you want to do business there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max503 Posted June 21, 2020 at 03:26 PM Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 03:26 PM ATF spells things out pretty well in their Gun Free School Zone Notice. The first column of the last page provides the answer under General Information.Thanks. The very end of that column states the store's adopted policy. You have a friend you can borrow one from, or are they just trying to sell you a case?No one close by. I'm still trying to find one I can borrow. Otherwise the store has them for under $20. "Long story longer, RK has their policies and you have to abide by them if you want to do business there." In this day and age they seem to be one of the most gun-friendly stores still selling guns. I'll give them my business, and hope they stay in business even if it costs me a few extra bucks. But I don't like it. I just hope things don't get any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yas Posted June 21, 2020 at 03:39 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 03:39 PM Bought a Nagant once at R-Guns and they provided a very long cardboard box to cover the "Case requirement". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 21, 2020 at 03:44 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 03:44 PM ATF spells things out pretty well in their Gun Free School Zone Notice. The first column of the last page provides the answer under General Information.Thanks. The very end of that column states the store's adopted policy. Not really, though. ATF's advice in the last paragraph is for FFLs in states that do not require a permit. Does Rural King have locations in other states? It might be that they adopted a single corporate procedure across all locations to keep things simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted June 21, 2020 at 04:03 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 04:03 PM Tell them you’ll buy a case from them, find the cheapest one they have in stock, or maybe grab the most expensive one.Be sure to put it on your charge card (Visa) and keep the receipt.Take it home, return the very next day, not next week or next month, the very next day and return it!Reason.....really don’t need it to store my rifle at home so this wasn’t a good purchase. Get refund.....walk out smiling.....end of problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 21, 2020 at 06:24 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 06:24 PM Not the first time Ive read of the hard case near a school requirement from a RK store. Not sure if all but certainly a policy at multiple ones across states. Can you return cases there? Why wait a day? Buy the case, take gun to vehicle, remove from case and put back in cardboard, return case for a refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max503 Posted June 21, 2020 at 09:08 PM Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 09:08 PM Not the first time Ive read of the hard case near a school requirement from a RK store. Not sure if all but certainly a policy at multiple ones across states. Can you return cases there? Why wait a day? Buy the case, take gun to vehicle, remove from case and put back in cardboard, return case for a refund.Why didn't I think of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted June 21, 2020 at 10:01 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 10:01 PM Maybe we should lobby for a law that prevents construction or operation of a school within 1000 feet of a Rural King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted June 21, 2020 at 10:03 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 10:03 PM I never had this problem over at Urban King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted June 21, 2020 at 11:51 PM Share Posted June 21, 2020 at 11:51 PM ATF spells things out pretty well in their Gun Free School Zone Notice. The first column of the last page provides the answer under General Information.Thanks. The very end of that column states the store's adopted policy. Not really, though. ATF's advice in the last paragraph is for FFLs in states that do not require a permit. Does Rural King have locations in other states? It might be that they adopted a single corporate procedure across all locations to keep things simple. Yes, we have a Rural King in Crossville, Tennessee.No such issue. Cash and carry ain't life merry. I also bought a gun at an Illinois Rural King several years ago. Even though I was already carrying, they still had to walk me to the door. Ok, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted June 22, 2020 at 01:59 AM Share Posted June 22, 2020 at 01:59 AM max503 - do you happen to know if that was a "corporate" store or a "franchisee" store?I ask as there are two that I know of in this area and the ads are different. The one just north of Belleville is a franchisee store and their ad is on white paper and has the addresses of 5 or 6 stores listed on the back page. The one on the west side of Collinsville (near I-255) is a corporate store. Their ads are on a light gray paper with NO stores addresses listed. The ads are never exactly the same but frequently have many of the same items on sale at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benbow Posted June 22, 2020 at 03:33 AM Share Posted June 22, 2020 at 03:33 AM I assume this is the Collinsville RK. Next time, call me. I dont care what you haul it away in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cope Posted June 22, 2020 at 03:36 AM Share Posted June 22, 2020 at 03:36 AM Having purchased from the collinsville store I can tell you they make you have a case. They claim they are in a school zone because there are athletic fields nearby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted June 22, 2020 at 11:51 AM Share Posted June 22, 2020 at 11:51 AM I thought the whole "1000 foot from a school" rule was struck down as unconstitutional not too long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted June 22, 2020 at 01:24 PM Share Posted June 22, 2020 at 01:24 PM I thought the whole "1000 foot from a school" rule was struck down as unconstitutional not too long ago.It was. People v. Greene 2018. The 1000 foot was found facially unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted June 22, 2020 at 01:25 PM Share Posted June 22, 2020 at 01:25 PM Sorry, it is Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted June 22, 2020 at 01:39 PM Share Posted June 22, 2020 at 01:39 PM Tell them you’ll buy a case from them, find the cheapest one they have in stock, or maybe grab the most expensive one.Be sure to put it on your charge card (Visa) and keep the receipt.Take it home, return the very next day, not next week or next month, the very next day and return it!Reason.....really don’t need it to store my rifle at home so this wasn’t a good purchase. Get refund.....walk out smiling.....end of problem.Unless they have a "restocking fee" or no return policy, I have seen that before.One of the requirements for the CCL class was a "holster" and X amount of ammunition,so I buy holster, never needed it for the class , return was store credit and 20% restocking fee. And I think we only fired the 21 rounds required for qualification so I over bought ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted June 22, 2020 at 01:43 PM Share Posted June 22, 2020 at 01:43 PM $15.75 Solution at Walmart. You can then sell it to a friend for cost when they need to pick something up from that store, wash rinse repeat. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Flambeau-50-5-inch-Rifle-Shotgun-Case/969413734 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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