Tvandermyde Posted February 10, 2015 at 11:52 PM Share Posted February 10, 2015 at 11:52 PM More press on the issue Make those calls. . . . http://www.guns.com/2015/02/09/legal-firearms-suppressors-could-soon-be-allowed-in-illinois/ I will use this post for posting updates and info. So look at the header in the thread to note chages. Adding some info here today, expect another update later today. ** Update 2 ** Ok so the bill got assigned to the Criminal Committee. Not where we wanted it to go. Stil waiting on figuring out the "game" for this session. I'll post more later. But it's just the first month of session. The bill will NOT be up next week as there is a 7 day posting requirement. Keep the faith. ** UPDATE 3 ** Attached is a handout SilencerCO has provided us. It is posted here in a PDF we will be handing them out as we continue our educational efforts. Keep the calls and emails rolling in. Silencers Are Legal Brochure.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted February 11, 2015 at 02:29 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 02:29 PM email I sent to Harmon and Willis (both lost causes IMO): ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Support for HB0433, use of suppressors in hunting, While I feel this is a lost cause with you, I am STILL writing to express my support of the bill..CONTRARY to the myths presented by Hollywood, these are not "devices of evil intent".AT LEAST read the neutral Wikipedia entry to shed your blinders: plaintext of link for copy and paste: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuppressorIn FACT, In Europe, in some outdoor ranges they are REQUIRED, and are just good manners.They're regarded as as "cheap pieces of tin", not some mythological talisman of evil.The controls are already in place, as Title II "NFA" items:a BATFE background check(which takes ~ 6 months!! QUITE a waiting period!!) with photos and fingerprints IS REQUIRED,as well as paying a $200 TAX IN ADVANCE PER DEVICE.Transfer of device STILL requires the background check and another $200 tax stamp.This inherently means getting both the permission of the Attorney General of theUnited States as well as an EXPLICIT registration of each device to an individual.THIRTY EIGHT (nine?) states allow these specific NFA devices currently.WHY have them:1. good neighbor relations - don't startle a wide ranging area during hunting season2. hearing loss from that wide ranging noise, being just FEET from it's source. hearing loss is endemic among both hunters and military.There have been ATTEMPTS to mitigate ear damage, such as bulky earmuffs, inadequatein ear ear plugs, and even noise canceling headphones to TRY to allow the wearer to adequatelyinteract with the local environment.It just makes common sense that this burst of pressure be tamed at the source, not deal withit's effects at the ears of everyone nearby. That STILL leaves the supersonic crack of the ammunitiontraveling through the air, and I feel safe in saying that pistol ammunition is mainly supersonic andALL hunting ammunition is FAR supersonic...We do not tolerate the unrestrained pressure bursts generated by the exhaust of internal combustionengines, we REQUIRE mufflers to mitigate this, for the common good.It's time Illinois's irrational stance on this common sense issue be modified, to allow the NFA licensedand permitted devices to be used by the upstanding citizens of this state, UPSTANDING AS PROVEN BYA BACKGROUND CHECK EVEN MORE STRINGENT THAN DONE FOR AN ILLINOIS FCCL.As for criminal misuse? Hanging an extension upon a firearm, making it LARGER???The penalties under the National Firearms Act are severe: (quoting wikipedia)Federal law provides severe penalties for crimes of violence committed using firearmsequipped with silencers: a minimum prison sentence of 30 years.A silencer is a NFA Title II weapon, and the unlawful possession is a felony garnering up to 10 years in a Federal prison,and as an additional GOTCHA: (As per wikipedia (again) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_II_weapons)The legal term silencer (more technically known as a "suppressor"), defines as "any device for silencing,muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts ... intendedfor use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer."Which would include the possession of one or each baffle of an unassembled silenceras an a separate violation of the NFA.A pretty high bar to hurdle for anyone, then add Illinois's blunt refusal? Unacceptable.your constituent:(blah blah woof woof) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoverGunner Posted February 11, 2015 at 03:05 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 03:05 PM Mark very well written , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmjlar15 Posted February 11, 2015 at 03:12 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 03:12 PM I think with the posters approval we should send this to all Legislators that are questionable on this important issue to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcompton Posted February 11, 2015 at 03:15 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 03:15 PM I intend no offense to the OP because it is really well written. However, it is too long. These guys are so busy/distracted/don't care, that they probably make it to line 3....maybe. I mean not to be a downer...it's really awesome....just too wordy to be realistically effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadroid Posted February 11, 2015 at 03:55 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 03:55 PM Can we get an email list going? With possible talking points. I have called a few but I want to know the official talking points before I discuss with anyone further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianj - now in Kansas Posted February 11, 2015 at 04:09 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 04:09 PM Todd, do you want emails from us with Assemblycritter name and position after we've talked to 'em? Bri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCroskey Posted February 11, 2015 at 04:26 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 04:26 PM Please let us all know when we can file witness slips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted February 11, 2015 at 04:29 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 04:29 PM Imo, we should avoid the hearing loss by shooters argument. I see it as something to be used against us. Instead, let's modify it to show concern for others around us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmjlar15 Posted February 11, 2015 at 04:42 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 04:42 PM You may add on to this but maybe this shorter version might work, if markthesignguy allows some use of his letter. Subject of email: Support for HB0433, use of suppressors in hunting. Dear Rep. ? (Name) I'm reaching out to you in hope that you will support HB0433. While many people believe suppressors make a gun completely silent to the human ear, that is not the case as in James Bond movies. They reduce the sound emitted from a firearm to safer levels for the shooter and those around the shooter. In hopes of your support I've provided a short list of factual points about suppressors below. Suppressors: * Reduce the emitted report of a gun shot to safer levels for the human ear while still wearing air protection.* Protect against long term hearing loss and further hearing damage.* Are entered into a registry with the ATF and have an applicable $200 federal tax.* DO NOT completely silence a gun shot like in the movies.* Are safe and polite to other hunters as to not disturb them from hunting.* Have strict federal rules to follow and if used in crime's are punishable by up to 30 years minimum at the federal level. It's time Illinois's irrational stance on this common sense issue be modified, to allow the NFA licensedand permitted devices to be used by the upstanding citizens of this state, UPSTANDING AS PROVEN BYA BACKGROUND CHECK EVEN MORE STRINGENT THAN DONE FOR AN ILLINOIS FCCL. Best regards, (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmjlar15 Posted February 11, 2015 at 05:07 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 05:07 PM I noticed I used the wrong air above first bullet point should say ear instead of air lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted February 11, 2015 at 05:53 PM Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 05:53 PM When the time comes, yes file witness slips. And you can email me about answers you get in private about the bills. We will be emailing info out as need be. Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonap Posted February 11, 2015 at 06:54 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 06:54 PM Is it really a good idea to start out by telling your legislator that you already have negative expectations from them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted February 11, 2015 at 07:17 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 07:17 PM That post was to prime the pump, and yes, it was long, have at it my friends It is exactly what I sent to Kathleen Willis (D, R-77th) and Don Harmon (D, S-39th) this morning. It is in the Rules Committee:Chairperson : Barbara Flynn Currie (D)Republican Spokesperson : Ed Sullivan ®Member: Lou Lang (D)Member: David R. Leitch ®Member: Frank J. Mautino (D) along with over a thousand other bills (lot are shells ) FYI, (not that I know anything about what's going to be covered) Hearing Scheduled for Feb 13, 2015Chairperson Barbara CurrieRepublican Spokesperson Ed SullivanScheduled Date: Feb 13, 2015 10:15AMLocation: Speakers Conference Room Michael A. Bilandic BuildingChicago, ILPosting Date: Feb 06, 2015 10:06AMSubject Matter: SUBJECT MATTER: Matters pending before the House Rules committee.Clerk of the House Timothy D. Mapes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadroid Posted February 11, 2015 at 07:19 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 07:19 PM Maybe we should write some short talking points to send off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted February 11, 2015 at 07:23 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 07:23 PM Is it really a good idea to start out by telling your legislator that you already have negative expectations from them? With MY legislators, absolutely yes. But if they get their ears bent enough about it, they might take notice. Believe me, for them, that was a mild letter from me. There's a REASON I show F- ratings for both of them. The nicest thing I can say about Don Harmon is that at least he will look you straight in the eye as he slips the shiv into your ribs, instead of smiling and than backstabbing you. That's why I don't talk much about deposing Cullerton in the Senate, the next guy in line is Harmon, and he probably is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepercaprice1 Posted February 11, 2015 at 08:20 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 08:20 PM This is my quick email to my representative. A phone call will be made as well: Dear Rep. Durkin, As a responsible firearms owner and concerned constituent, I urge you to support HB433 which would allow law abiding Illinois firearms owners to possess and use National Firearms Act approved sound suppressors on their guns. Due to a long career in the construction industry and extensive exposure to loud equipment, I have experienced significant hearing loss. Limiting additional exposure to potential damaging noise would be beneficial to me. Sound suppressors are legal in all but 11 states in this country. There’s no reason Illinois shouldn’t recognize the beneficial use of sound suppressors by responsible gun owners. Thank You, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadroid Posted February 11, 2015 at 08:27 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 08:27 PM Todd V. Do you think we can get the suppressor industry to help us lobby? The ASA and SilencerCo seem to be very open about legalizing these nationwide. SilencerCo new #FightTheNoise rally is picking up. It would be in their interest to help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieJ309 Posted February 11, 2015 at 10:20 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 10:20 PM I know no one wants to name names at this point, but can I ask how support is looking so far? It can be PM'd to me if you want that kept off the forums for now as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted February 11, 2015 at 11:33 PM Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 11:33 PM Todd V. Do you think we can get the suppressor industry to help us lobby? The ASA and SilencerCo seem to be very open about legalizing these nationwide. SilencerCo new #FightTheNoise rally is picking up. It would be in their interest to help us. they are helping. I'm in touch with them regularly To help speed things up, I am hosting a private email list for updates feel free to drop me an email if you wish to be added. NOT A PM, AN EMAIL. We will post updates here on IC as we get them. You can slo keep eyes on IL-Gunlobby on facebook for updates too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieJ309 Posted February 11, 2015 at 11:58 PM Share Posted February 11, 2015 at 11:58 PM Todd, what's your email? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted February 12, 2015 at 12:13 AM Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 at 12:13 AM https://s3.amazonaws.com/com.silencerco/press/SilencerCo-Infographic.gif link for today tvandermyd@aol.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted February 12, 2015 at 02:51 AM Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 at 02:51 AM ok first post is out. If you didn't get it, let me know so I can see if I overlooked your email. somethings for you guys to use. If your on FB, use the one pic for either a profile pic or a cover photo. We could use to gin up the social media on thses things. https://s3.amazonaws.com/com.silencerco/press/SilencerCo-Infographic.gif Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim4k5 Posted February 12, 2015 at 02:56 AM Share Posted February 12, 2015 at 02:56 AM Keep it simple for the politicians..... Why does no muffler on a motorcycle or car= ticket for excessive noise ButMuffler on a firearm to reduce ear damaging noise= insta-felony in Illinois but not several other States? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadyRunner Posted February 12, 2015 at 03:24 AM Share Posted February 12, 2015 at 03:24 AM Email sent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadroid Posted February 12, 2015 at 05:10 AM Share Posted February 12, 2015 at 05:10 AM Done and done Todd! Let's do this. I posted on social media and rallying friends and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuroraInstructor Posted February 12, 2015 at 04:04 PM Share Posted February 12, 2015 at 04:04 PM Called both of my guys in Springfield - Senator Brady and Representative Brauer. Left messages. They are both on our side anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuroraInstructor Posted February 12, 2015 at 04:12 PM Share Posted February 12, 2015 at 04:12 PM Also posted on Facebook, along with the link for people to find contact information for their State Rep and State Senator. We should all do this to really rally the troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadroid Posted February 12, 2015 at 04:41 PM Share Posted February 12, 2015 at 04:41 PM Sent out to 7 reps so far... We'll see if they reply to email. I made this from the silencerco image. That image is big and this seems to be one of the most important comparisons. http://i.imgur.com/RTxYkry.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted February 13, 2015 at 05:23 AM Share Posted February 13, 2015 at 05:23 AM #saveourears I put a hashtag on it tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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