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#31 kwc

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 06:51 PM

Posts 1 and 2 have been updated with data from the first two months of calendar year 2017. We're off to a good start this year.
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#32 Molly B.

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 09:35 PM

Posts 1 and 2 have been updated with data from the first two months of calendar year 2017. We're off to a good start this year.

 

 

Thank you kwc!  This info is very, very helpful!


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Posted 01 April 2017 - 05:37 AM

It is clear the CCLRB occasionally filters the application objections by source (county? LEO?), reason (contacts that didn't result in an arrest?), the applicant's age (under 18 at the time of the alleged offense?), or another factor, and processes those as a group regardless of position in the queue. March 2016 and Jan 2017 are good examples, when they overturned every single objection.

I would REALLY like to know the common thread for those groupings. Unfortunately the ISP won't share this with us through a FOIA request.

But the CCLRB knows what is happening. Just imagine if the ISP would identify these categories and post an advisory to LEOs to "consider" during the 30-day objection period. Something like "Objections based on xxxxxx have been historically overturned by the CCLRB..." might help to reduce the number of frivolous objections, if the LEOs would adjust to this feedback.

Of course, there are much more dramatic actions that could and should be taken to uphold the spirit and intent of a shall-issue statute, but IMHO the feedback loop just described could have a helpful impact on reducing the backlog.
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Posted 22 April 2017 - 02:44 PM

Thanks KWC for all the good work you are doing! I've been in limbo since November "Under Board Review" most likely for something that happen as a juvie. Everything was expunged so I am confident that the object will get overruled, just have to wait it out I guess.

 

The trend looks good though and they are increasing the number of applicants they review each month. 



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Posted 08 May 2017 - 10:52 AM

It is clear the CCLRB occasionally filters the application objections by source (county? LEO?), reason (contacts that didn't result in an arrest?), the applicant's age (under 18 at the time of the alleged offense?), or another factor, and processes those as a group regardless of position in the queue. March 2016 and Jan 2017 are good examples, when they overturned every single objection.

I would REALLY like to know the common thread for those groupings. Unfortunately the ISP won't share this with us through a FOIA request.

But the CCLRB knows what is happening. Just imagine if the ISP would identify these categories and post an advisory to LEOs to "consider" during the 30-day objection period. Something like "Objections based on xxxxxx have been historically overturned by the CCLRB..." might help to reduce the number of frivolous objections, if the LEOs would adjust to this feedback.

Of course, there are much more dramatic actions that could and should be taken to uphold the spirit and intent of a shall-issue statute, but IMHO the feedback loop just described could have a helpful impact on reducing the backlog.

 

 

Any updates on April stats? 



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Posted 08 May 2017 - 11:15 AM

Any updates on April stats? 

 

 

I haven't yet requested the reports covering March and April.  I plan to request the next batch mid-June to cover March through May.


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Posted 08 May 2017 - 01:00 PM

Sounds good, interested to see how the trends are looking...



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:42 PM

Nice job, thanks

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 04:41 PM

I just updated the first two posts with the latest data from March, April, and May 2017.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:15 PM

I just updated the first two posts with the latest data from March, April, and May 2017.

 

Thanks for the update, much appreciated. I'm just confused as to why they still have not reviewed my application yet? They have gone through over ~2800 people since I have been UBR. Last time I checked there were only ~2400 people UBR. What is going on? 



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Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:27 PM

I just updated the first two posts with the latest data from March, April, and May 2017.

 
Thanks for the update, much appreciated. I'm just confused as to why they still have not reviewed my application yet? They have gone through over ~2800 people since I have been UBR. Last time I checked there were only ~2400 people UBR. What is going on?

How incredibly frustrating! So sorry you're having to go through this.

My best guess is that the CCLRB isn't handling these first-in, first-out. They are batch processing applications with similarities they believe may be easier to clear first. See my post #33 above.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 10:20 PM

The ones that have been under review the longest are because the review board has requested more information from the objecting law enforcement agency and the board is waiting for a reply . . . we're saying wait 30 days max then process the application whether there is a reply or not.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:42 AM

...because the review board has requested more information from the objecting law enforcement agency and the board is waiting for a reply...


If only we could find out how many backlogged applications fall into that category! Unfortunately, they won't release the data (FOIA-exempt).

Do we have any self-reported data from applicants that could indicate the shortest possible turnaround time for a CCLRB review? Is anyone being cleared in the 1-3 month range?
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 09:09 AM

 

...because the review board has requested more information from the objecting law enforcement agency and the board is waiting for a reply...


If only we could find out how many backlogged applications fall into that category! Unfortunately, they won't release the data (FOIA-exempt).

Do we have any self-reported data from applicants that could indicate the shortest possible turnaround time for a CCLRB review? Is anyone being cleared in the 1-3 month range?

 

 

Not anyone that I know.  The earliest that I have heard are at the 1 year mark.  The board does group some reviews by similar type and some by geographical location so that one particular county does not monopolize all the board's reviewing time . . . these are not hard and fast rules, the process fluctuates with the type of objections filed and the number that are submitted. 

The longest waiting for review are those waiting for the law enforcement agency to respond to the request for more information.  Our position is if the agency has not responded within 30 days, then the application must be processed.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:52 PM

 

...because the review board has requested more information from the objecting law enforcement agency and the board is waiting for a reply...


If only we could find out how many backlogged applications fall into that category! Unfortunately, they won't release the data (FOIA-exempt).

Do we have any self-reported data from applicants that could indicate the shortest possible turnaround time for a CCLRB review? Is anyone being cleared in the 1-3 month range?

 

 

Thanks for the responses! Yeah at this point I am beyond the point of frustration. I am hoping that Molly and illinoiscarry can put more pressure on the Review Board, so LEOs can stop taking advantage of the current system (i.e. give LEOs maximum 30 days to respond to the board and after the 30 days make a decision).

 

Very unfortunate but I have trust in the Review Board to allow justice to prevail.   



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 09:05 PM

IMO, if they have enough data to make a valid initial 30 day objection, then it shouldn't take them more than 30 days to provide it.
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 09:46 PM

IMO, if they have enough data to make a valid initial 30 day objection, then it shouldn't take them more than 30 days to provide it.

 

Well thats the point. They are just taking advantage of the current system. So basically if you have had trouble with LE in the past it will come back to hunt you in the future  :logik:



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:45 PM

I filed my lawsuit they failed to answer so the Board and its members are in default. Tomorrow I am filing a motion and naming Sheriff Dart as A subject of NOBLE CAUSE CORRUPTION.

 

This is when a LEO does what is wrong but believes the end justifies the means..His objections based on the % of being overturned fits him perfectly. Up before Judge John Lee next Wednesday, hopefully I will get a court order to stop this Moron..

 

Check his 60 minute interview with Leslie Stahl in May 2017. Half of his 7500 inmates are not criminals or a danger to anyone ! Yet us members or anyone who just walked past the Police and have not been to his Hotel in the last 20 years, he objects to a CCL.. 



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:56 PM

I filed my lawsuit they failed to answer so the Board and its members are in default. Tomorrow I am filing a motion and naming Sheriff Dart as A subject of NOBLE CAUSE CORRUPTION.

 

This is when a LEO does what is wrong but believes the end justifies the means..His objections based on the % of being overturned fits him perfectly. Up before Judge John Lee next Wednesday, hopefully I will get a court order to stop this Moron..

 

Check his 60 minute interview with Leslie Stahl in May 2017. Half of his 7500 inmates are not criminals or a danger to anyone ! Yet us members or anyone who just walked past the Police and have not been to his Hotel in the last 20 years, he objects to a CCL.. 

 

 

Goodluck! Let us know what happens. 



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 02:48 PM

GOOD LUCK

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 06:22 PM

I filed my lawsuit they failed to answer so the Board and its members are in default. Tomorrow I am filing a motion and naming Sheriff Dart as A subject of NOBLE CAUSE CORRUPTION.

 

This is when a LEO does what is wrong but believes the end justifies the means..His objections based on the % of being overturned fits him perfectly. Up before Judge John Lee next Wednesday, hopefully I will get a court order to stop this Moron..

 

Check his 60 minute interview with Leslie Stahl in May 2017. Half of his 7500 inmates are not criminals or a danger to anyone ! Yet us members or anyone who just walked past the Police and have not been to his Hotel in the last 20 years, he objects to a CCL.. 

 

Who is your 2nd Amendment attorney for the case? I am currently looking for a new one myself, in possible preparation for a suit against the state and the CTA in regards to the prohibition of CCL on public transportation, which severely impedes my right to keep and bear arms since I am a disabled veteran who does not drive and relies upon public transportation for most of my mobility.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 05:25 AM

Posts #1 and 2 have been updated with the latest reports (Jun-Aug 2017).
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:06 AM

It is very encouraging to see the increased number of reviews for August.  For most of this year, the board has been reviewing nearly double the number a year ago.  In August, the number of reviews has nearly doubled again. 


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 10:47 AM

It is very encouraging to see the increased number of reviews for August.  For most of this year, the board has been reviewing nearly double the number a year ago.  In August, the number of reviews has nearly doubled again. 

 

Yeah but it has some of us wondering why then is the wait at least a year? If not longer... 



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Posted 15 September 2017 - 12:56 PM

There shouldn't even be a CCLRB.

 

Either you meet the criteria or you don't.



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