defaultdotxbe Posted March 22, 2014 at 02:09 PM Share Posted March 22, 2014 at 02:09 PM I'm confused. Does not having an AWB over ride the AWB cook has in place? Or do Hoffman Estates and Des Plaines have laws stating that they are legal? Please let me know because I have been looking to move outside of crook county on the basis of owning an AR alone.Not sure of Des Plaines but Hoffman Estates has an ordinance that explicitly overides the Cook ban It is intended that this Section shall pre-empt all Cook County licensing or other regulatory schemes for firearms, and firearms dealers. As provided in Article VII, Section 6© of the State of Illinois Constitution of 1970, if a county ordinance conflicts with an ordinance of a municipality, the municipality ordinance shall prevail within its jurisdiction. http://library.municode.com/showDocumentFrame.aspx?clientID=13575&jobId=&docID=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigma Posted March 22, 2014 at 05:46 PM Share Posted March 22, 2014 at 05:46 PM I love how they call it a scheme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielm60660 Posted April 18, 2014 at 06:00 PM Share Posted April 18, 2014 at 06:00 PM I am trying to scan this and see where it is, but I'm not getting any definitive answers. Anyone know what's going on with this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted April 18, 2014 at 07:59 PM Share Posted April 18, 2014 at 07:59 PM I believe they are still at the trial/evidence phase. This part can take a lot of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagt48 Posted June 16, 2014 at 04:56 PM Share Posted June 16, 2014 at 04:56 PM Any word yet? I thought that I read on here that the evidence phase was supposed to wrap up sometime in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted June 16, 2014 at 04:58 PM Share Posted June 16, 2014 at 04:58 PM Discovery was ordered closed earlier this month on Friedman v Highland Park. Very similar issue. Are you sure you didn't confuse the 2? "The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree." -Thomas Campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagt48 Posted June 16, 2014 at 05:05 PM Share Posted June 16, 2014 at 05:05 PM Discovery was ordered closed earlier this month on Friedman v Highland Park. Very similar issue. Are you sure you didn't confuse the 2? "The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree." -Thomas Campbell It's quite possible. There are so many cases to keep up with that keep changing I wouldn't be surprised one bit. Thanks. ETA: Just checked the Highland Park thread. Like you said, this one is closed because of that HP case. Skinny said that the trial is set to take place just before Halloween this year. WILL IT EVER END?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted June 16, 2014 at 05:37 PM Share Posted June 16, 2014 at 05:37 PM WILL IT EVER END?!?! Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted June 16, 2014 at 06:13 PM Share Posted June 16, 2014 at 06:13 PM ^^^What he said. "The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree." -Thomas Campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted July 18, 2014 at 05:16 PM Share Posted July 18, 2014 at 05:16 PM I don't think it will ever end. Between magazines, AWB, Open Carry, CCW . . . 'it's for the children,' Bloomberg's money, HP / Chiraq / Crook . . . Blog's early release request . . . .Nah, it'll never end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted July 19, 2014 at 01:59 AM Share Posted July 19, 2014 at 01:59 AM that's because grenade launchers are pretty much banned anyways.well the grenades are banned, the launcher is usually little more than a tube, like a potato gun but of course "grenade launcher" sounds scary, so we better ban them (for the children) Is that "the shoulder thing that goes up"? Oh wait, no, that's a barrel shroud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fljr Posted July 22, 2014 at 08:31 PM Share Posted July 22, 2014 at 08:31 PM How can places like Midwest and Maxon's sell AR 15s? There are no ordinances in Lyons or Des Plaines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:06 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:06 AM How can places like Midwest and Maxon's sell AR 15s? There are no ordinances in Lyons or Des Plaines. The Cook law isn't being enforced so no one really cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagt48 Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:10 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:10 AM How can places like Midwest and Maxon's sell AR 15s? There are no ordinances in Lyons or Des Plaines. The Cook law isn't being enforced so no one really cares Too bad little peons like me living in Chicago are still taking the safe (albeit super annoying) route and leaving our "fun" guns with friends elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:22 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:22 AM Too bad little peons like me living in Chicago are still taking the safe (albeit super annoying) route and leaving our "fun" guns with friends elsewhere. Well in theory the Chicago ban is still being enforced, although I do not know of anyone ever being charged with violating it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagt48 Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:48 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:48 AM Too bad little peons like me living in Chicago are still taking the safe (albeit super annoying) route and leaving our "fun" guns with friends elsewhere. Well in theory the Chicago ban is still being enforced, although I do not know of anyone ever being charged with violating it Which is definitely not something that I am looking to find out. I'll wait. It's not like I am disarmed here. I do have MOST of my collection here, just not ALL of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WtJen Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:56 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:56 AM I'm trying to understand the laws in Cook county. Do I understand correctly that it is illegal to possess an AR type rifle and 20-30 round magazines for the same in Cook County? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:32 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:32 AM I'm trying to understand the laws in Cook county. Do I understand correctly that it is illegal to possess an AR type rifle and 20-30 round magazines for the same in Cook County?Pretty much. A semi-automatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more "evil" features. Barrel shroud is one of those features and the way its written it seems to be inclusive of the normal handguard on any rifle, not just an actual barrel shroud, so anything semi auto would seem to be banned. Magazines over 10 rounds are also banned. The law doesn't differentiate handgun mags and rifles mags so there is some debate about where handgun magazines fall due to preemption. If they are preempted then AR mags may also be preempted as there are AR-type pistols out there (of course the Cook law purports to ban those pistols as well) Something tells me I may have hindered rather than helped your understanding. Its like reading a book on quantum physics, if you understand it better when you are done you weren't really paying attention lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fljr Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:41 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:41 AM How can places like Midwest and Maxon's sell AR 15s? There are no ordinances in Lyons or Des Plaines. The Cook law isn't being enforced so no one really cares But then it makes me wonder why, I believe Hoffman Estates opted out (or partially), for Cabela's which I believe is Cook. Indeed quantum physics may be more understandable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WtJen Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:47 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:47 AM Actually you cleared things up for me. A guy up here(Cook County) that I work with on the Mannheim project, is interested in purchasing an AR and I'm giving him advice on his first purchase. He grew up in Southern Illinois and married a Chicago girl after graduating from SIUC. Moved up here for some reason that I can not fathom. Well, apparently I have some rather bad news for him before he gets too heavily into the purchase process. I promise not to gloat about our relative freedom from oppression in the southern part of the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:51 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:51 AM But then it makes me wonder why, I believe Hoffman Estates opted out (or partially), for Cabela's which I believe is Cook. Indeed quantum physics may be more understandable... Hoffman's "opt out" ordinance predates the Wilson case and Cook's agreement to suspend enforcement (not sure if they were enforcing much before then, this all happened before I got my FOID and started paying attention to these things) Additionally, the Cook ban may not be enforceable in most places, the Sheriff's Police don't have primary jurisdiction in incorporated communities that have their own police department, and its unlikely the local PD will call the Sheriff's police into their jurisdiction for weapon possession charge. Still, Cook saw fit to amend their ban to clarify it applies to everyone in Cook county unless they live in a town with a contradictory ordinance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:58 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:58 AM Actually you cleared things up for me. A guy up here(Cook County) that I work with on the Mannheim project, is interested in purchasing an AR and I'm giving him advice on his first purchase. He grew up in Southern Illinois and married a Chicago girl after graduating from SIUC. Moved up here for some reason that I can not fathom. Well, apparently I have some rather bad news for him before he gets too heavily into the purchase process. I promise not to gloat about our relative freedom from oppression in the southern part of the state.Technically it's illegal but outside of the towns that have their own bans most people don't seem to care. I live in Cook and just bought an AR, and I already had an AK and a .22LR made to look enough like an AR that its banned too. I have several friends that also own ARs in Cook. As stated above Maxon and Midwest both sell ARs in Cook, and I know Freddie Bear in Tinley Park and Chucks in Riverdale do too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted July 23, 2014 at 04:20 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 04:20 AM Actually you cleared things up for me. A guy up here(Cook County) that I work with on the Mannheim project, is interested in purchasing an AR and I'm giving him advice on his first purchase. He grew up in Southern Illinois and married a Chicago girl after graduating from SIUC. Moved up here for some reason that I can not fathom. Well, apparently I have some rather bad news for him before he gets too heavily into the purchase process. I promise not to gloat about our relative freedom from oppression in the southern part of the state.Chicago's ordinance says you have to have all the parts od the firearm. So you can have an entire AR except for the barrel (and magazines over 10 rds) legally in Chicago. Just keep the barrel (or some other essential part not the complete lower though)at a friend's house and you're good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted July 23, 2014 at 04:22 AM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 04:22 AM And they can't get you for the "assault weapon" if it's in your car since transporting firearms is preempted by the state. They'd have to find it in your house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearsmithy Posted July 23, 2014 at 01:30 PM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 01:30 PM Chicago's ordinance says you have to have all the parts od the firearm. So you can have an entire AR except for the barrel (and magazines over 10 rds) legally in Chicago. Just keep the barrel (or some other essential part not the complete lower though)at a friend's house and you're good to go.Are you sure about this? Can you share the part of the ordinance that states this? I wasnt able to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagt48 Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:01 PM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:01 PM Chicago's ordinance says you have to have all the parts od the firearm. So you can have an entire AR except for the barrel (and magazines over 10 rds) legally in Chicago. Just keep the barrel (or some other essential part not the complete lower though)at a friend's house and you're good to go.Are you sure about this? Can you share the part of the ordinance that states this? I wasnt able to find it. Check 8-20-010. Towards the bottom is specifically states the opposite of what chislinger says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagt48 Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:31 PM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:31 PM Chislinger, are you thinking about a receiver and not the barrel? The way the law reads I suppose that would be OK. It calls out the receiver of any firearm on their list as being banned, and separately lists any combination of parts needed to build one of those firearms as being banned as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearsmithy Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:57 PM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 02:57 PM I think this is pretty clear: ( An “assault weapon” shall not include any firearm that: (2) has been rendered permanently inoperable. “Permanently inoperable” means a firearm which is incapable of discharging a projectile by means of an explosive and incapable of being restored to a firing condition; or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagt48 Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:22 PM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 03:22 PM I think this is pretty clear: ( An “assault weapon” shall not include any firearm that: (2) has been rendered permanently inoperable. “Permanently inoperable” means a firearm which is incapable of discharging a projectile by means of an explosive and incapable of being restored to a firing condition; or “Assault weapon” means any of the following, regardless of the caliber of ammunition accepted:... (14) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraphs (1) through (13) can be assembled. (15) The frame or receiver of a rifle or shotgun described in subparagraph (1), (2), (5), (9), (10), (12), (13), or (18). 1 through 13 list things like Mini-14s, ARs, AKs, Beretta Storms, AUGs, etc., which is why I stated that it appears that you can own a parts kit minus a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearsmithy Posted July 23, 2014 at 04:07 PM Share Posted July 23, 2014 at 04:07 PM I think this is pretty clear: ( An “assault weapon” shall not include any firearm that: (2) has been rendered permanently inoperable. “Permanently inoperable” means a firearm which is incapable of discharging a projectile by means of an explosive and incapable of being restored to a firing condition; or “Assault weapon” means any of the following, regardless of the caliber of ammunition accepted:... (14) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraphs (1) through (13) can be assembled. (15) The frame or receiver of a rifle or shotgun described in subparagraph (1), (2), (5), (9), (10), (12), (13), or (18). 1 through 13 list things like Mini-14s, ARs, AKs, Beretta Storms, AUGs, etc., which is why I stated that it appears that you can own a parts kit minus a receiver. Man that's a fine line. I could see the legal arguments either way All assault weapons are firearms, this is not a firearm because it's not a full combination of parts from which a 'firearm' can be assembled, therefore my AR with a missing trigger group is not an assault weapon. The counter to that argument is that it IS an assault weapon because it can be "fully restored to firing condition" (by dropping in a trigger group). I don't know how to interpret this one.. By the way.. IANAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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