TomKoz Posted March 9, 2019 at 08:23 AM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 08:23 AM Over 9 years ago I joined this forum. I proclaimed then that voting Democrat would lead to 2A Rights demise. Many ridiculed me. All had their reasons. SO, has the Democrat PARTY done anything at ALL to help your 2A rights ? NO !! There is NOT one Thing the Democratic PARTY either Federal or a State (without being Court forced)That they - the Democratic Party - has done to help our cause ! They - the Democratic Party - has ONLY worked AGAINST our cause on Every front ! Please people ... figure it out already !!! When I say figure it out already I mean you can NOT vote Democrat and still be Pro 2A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigcelia Posted March 9, 2019 at 09:08 AM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 09:08 AM I don't think that is any big secret, for me at least. I will also say that Trump has done zero for us, understandably he has other issues but as a single issue voter, my 2A rights is what I care about the most. Heck, he was for the bump stock ban while the NRA did us no favors there. Sadly, under the Obama presidency, he has done more for our cause than what Trump has. He gave us Amtrak transport and National Park carry. So the Democrat party has done more in that regard. I still am republican, I still support our President but my patience is growing thin. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted March 9, 2019 at 11:14 AM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 11:14 AM I have moderates in our family. In laws just north of Bloomington for example. They don't stay informed, they allows principal and value to be diluted by the overwhelming mindset in this state of "common sense" and "moderation". They go out of state and remark how "different" the cultures are in Iowa, Missouri, Kentucky.They read about the anti gun proposals, they hear about all migration out of the state, yet since they don't shoot much and they are settled, it doesn't affect them and they shrug their shoulders. All the while they are immersed in the noise from media and politicians who talk about revenue shortfalls, taxes, furthering abortion, rights for illegals, and it starts to soften their outlook.It is their normal now. I see the same thing on this forum. Gun rights advocates who consider themselves independent or moderate on issues when in collar states they would be considered liberal and sometimes socialist.All of this has created a dumpster fire for a state and a populace that would prefer we "tone down the rhetoric" instead of waking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45Badger Posted March 9, 2019 at 11:36 AM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 11:36 AM If you are a one issue voter and gun rights or gun control are your issue you have two choices to express your values. Most folks have a pile of issues they care about. Seems we/they get really focused on a couple hot button issues and end up occupying our self-satisfied echo chambers at opposing ends of the spectrum. If gun rights are gonna be supported by anyone but us, they need to be “bundled” with other issues that the middle cares about. Winning means “influencing” rather than “beating”. Maybe a professional lobbyist or marketer could shed some light on this subject... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevepk Posted March 9, 2019 at 12:43 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 12:43 PM Let me correct you on one thing. It’s not the Democratic party, it’s the Democrat party. There’s nothing democratic about them. It’s just one of those little things that bug the crap out of me when I here Democratic party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 01:19 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 01:19 PM If you are a one issue voter and gun rights or gun control are your issue you have two choices to express your values. Most folks have a pile of issues they care about. Seems we/they get really focused on a couple hot button issues and end up occupying our self-satisfied echo chambers at opposing ends of the spectrum. If gun rights are gonna be supported by anyone but us, they need to be “bundled” with other issues that the middle cares about. Winning means “influencing” rather than “beating”. Maybe a professional lobbyist or marketer could shed some light on this subject... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk And these are the people who will vote D Because “orange man bad” and, even as gun owners, toss their rights in the garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted March 9, 2019 at 01:19 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 01:19 PM It wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to figure that out 20 years ago, let alone nine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomG Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:16 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:16 PM Democrats have been pushing against the 2A for decades. The FOID act happened in the 1960s. Chicago gun ban in the 1970s (80s??). Not to mention national AWB and other Democrat run states and absurd gun laws. Not exactly a Nostradamus moment here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45Badger Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:22 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:22 PM If you are a one issue voter and gun rights or gun control are your issue you have two choices to express your values. Most folks have a pile of issues they care about. Seems we/they get really focused on a couple hot button issues and end up occupying our self-satisfied echo chambers at opposing ends of the spectrum. If gun rights are gonna be supported by anyone but us, they need to be “bundled” with other issues that the middle cares about. Winning means “influencing” rather than “beating”. Maybe a professional lobbyist or marketer could shed some light on this subject... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk And these are the people who will vote D Because “orange man bad” and, even as gun owners, toss their rights in the garbage. What people are you referring to? The middle? Guns are somewhere between 18 and 88 on their list of daily priorities. Deride them all you want but we need them to win. Evidence does not suggest our favorite hobby is winning at the ballot box in Illinois. I’d rather win. Insulting those who are voting for the winning team rarely leads to victory. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45Badger Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:26 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:26 PM To be clear..... Tom’s original post is spot on. Democrats aren’t gonna be the party that advances or protects our rights. Winning the hearts, minds and votes of the middle is only way we have a chance. The middle has lots of educated, middle class republican women. They stayed home or voted against us this cycle. If we don’t get them back, we are toast. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:36 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:36 PM To be clear..... Toms original post is spot on. Democrats arent gonna be the party that advances or protects our rights. Winning the hearts, minds and votes of the middle is only way we have a chance. The middle has lots of educated, middle class republican women. They stayed home or voted against us this cycle. If we dont get them back, we are toast. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis needs to be shown to every voter (not just democrats). This group (justice democrats) is extremely dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:37 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:37 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:38 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 02:38 PM http://i.imgur.com/gnT410t.jpg https://www.justicedemocrats.com/candidates/ Marie Newman (since this is a gun forum) https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/3rd-congressional-district-democratic-candidate-marie-newman-2018-illinois-primary/ QUESTION: What is the single most important action Congress can take to curb gun violence in the United States? ANSWER: The most important actions can take to curb gun violence are to Create universal background checks Ban assault weapons and bump stocks Prevent purchase of and keep firearms out of the hands of domestic abusers, criminals and terrorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:14 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:14 PM OMG, that video is disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk5 Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:18 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:18 PM OMG, that video is disturbing.Scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:26 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:26 PM It gets better. We have a link. Working on more http://i.imgur.com/ShNx0Dt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jR4Mn55.jpg http://i.imgur.com/k0Hd8AV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/p7HnncD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Sf4DF3S.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:27 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:27 PM ... Deride them all you want but we need them to win. Evidence does not suggest our favorite hobby is winning at the ballot box in Illinois. Id rather win. Insulting those who are voting for the winning team rarely leads to victory. ... I always cringe when I see that posted. This is about more than a hobby - much more. My $0.02 is that OP should be posting about Progressives on both sides of the aisle. Conservative Democrats still exist, but they're not let into their own party much anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:32 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:32 PM http://i.imgur.com/q9hDz1o.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/oyYKQG9.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/wVgaX7T.jpg Now, some of the candidates I posted are not in Illinois, but there is a trend among “justice democrat” candidates. Keep an eye out for them for 2020, and also keep in mind that Moms Demand supports these radicals that want to eliminate the current Democratic Party And turn it into a socialist nightmare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:33 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:33 PM ...Deride them all you want but we need them to win. Evidence does not suggest our favorite hobby is winning at the ballot box in Illinois. Id rather win. Insulting those who are voting for the winning team rarely leads to victory....I always cringe when I see that posted. This is about more than a hobby - much more.My $0.02 is that OP should be posting about Progressives on both sides of the aisle. Conservative Democrats still exist, but they're not let into their own party much anymore.Totally agree, and theyre being phased out so the extreme can take over. Scary stuff Ill wait for our progressive friends to call BS on my posts btw. Great opportunity to drop more info on the legitimacy of the video. Oh heck, just a little bit (and from their own progressive source) https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181 The Justice Democrats ousted Cenk Uygur, one of its founding board members and a creator of progressive online network The Young Turks, following the Thursday revelation that Uygur had authored sexist blogposts in the early 2000s. The left-leaning political organization, which Uygur and others established this year to support progressive primary challenges against Democratic incumbents in Congress, made the announcement Friday. The group also severed ties with David Koller, who co-founded The Young Turks with Uygur and served as Justice Democrats treasurer. A 2004 blogpost in which Koller used degrading language about women he and Uygur met on a road-trip surfaced this week as well. The words and conduct in Mr. Uygur and Mr. Kollers posts degrade what it means to be a Justice Democrat, Justice Democrats executive director Saikat Chakrabarti said in a Friday evening statement announcing the boards decision to demand Uygur and Kollers resignations. We do not feel that Mr. Uygur is fit to lead or participate in an organization that truly believes womens issues and the issues of black and brown people are all of our issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:50 PM Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 03:50 PM ...Deride them all you want but we need them to win. Evidence does not suggest our favorite hobby is winning at the ballot box in Illinois. Id rather win. Insulting those who are voting for the winning team rarely leads to victory....I always cringe when I see that posted. This is about more than a hobby - much more.My $0.02 is that OP should be posting about Progressives on both sides of the aisle. Conservative Democrats still exist, but they're not let into their own party much anymore.In my defense, I have on Numerous occasions, posted that REPUBLICAN State Rep Jim Durkin and REPUBLICAN State Senator John Curran need to be voted out of office for cause!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted March 9, 2019 at 04:05 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 04:05 PM How do you explain Brandon Phelps? He helped our cause heavily while remaining a D. I’m not disagreeing with the sentiment from the OP but as much as I hate to admit, there are a small few that are on our side. We shouldn’t be pushing them out of the club. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 04:08 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 04:08 PM Last post on these guys (can’t make this up) http://i.imgur.com/KIekSvo.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4ICPsFL.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 04:09 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 04:09 PM How do you explain Brandon Phelps? He helped our cause heavily while remaining a D. I’m not disagreeing with the sentiment from the OP but as much as I hate to admit, there are a small few that are on our side. We shouldn’t be pushing them out of the club. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted March 9, 2019 at 04:22 PM Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 04:22 PM How do you explain Brandon Phelps? He helped our cause heavily while remaining a D. I’m not disagreeing with the sentiment from the OP but as much as I hate to admit, there are a small few that are on our side. We shouldn’t be pushing them out of the club. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSimple answer. Mike Madigan. If Democrats (even Pro 2A ones) were not in the majority - Mike Madigan would not be Speaker ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VannDaddy Posted March 9, 2019 at 05:10 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 05:10 PM Let me correct you on one thing. It’s not the Democratic party, it’s the Democrat party.There’s nothing democratic about them. It’s just one of those little things that bug the crap out of me when I here Democratic partyThe democratic process, as hard as it is for people to understand, is dangerous for everyone’s rights. When a majority can vote away other’s rights and property, then no one is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billzfx4 Posted March 9, 2019 at 05:54 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 05:54 PM - To regulate guns at least as well as we regulate vehicles Here's an idea, let's try to regulate vehicles the way they want to regulate guns.....then sit back and wait for all the crying and moaning to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 06:46 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 06:46 PM - To regulate guns at least as well as we regulate vehicles Here's an idea, let's try to regulate vehicles the way they want to regulate guns.....then sit back and wait for all the crying and moaning to start.-Nobody needs a gas guzzling V6-V8, as they are too fast and hurt the environment -have to wait 3 days before your driver history is cleared before purchasing -background check whenever lending your car to someone-can only purchase so much gas at a time-only 21 and over can drive/purchase them-need smart cars that detect the owner to prevent theft-need to be locked in a garage when not in use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted March 9, 2019 at 06:47 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 06:47 PM Driving is a privilege. Gun ownership is a constitutional right. So-called Progressive Democrats don't let simple facts get in the way of their Bolshevik agenda though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 9, 2019 at 06:51 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 06:51 PM I don't think that is any big secret, for me at least. I will also say that Trump has done zero for us, understandably he has other issues but as a single issue voter, my 2A rights is what I care about the most. I would beg to differ, Trump's two Supreme Court appointments have put us in a better position to solidify our 2nd rights at the highest court that will ripple through laws nationwide. I have little doubt we are in a better position than we have been in decades for the long run on 2nd rights thanks to Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 9, 2019 at 07:00 PM Share Posted March 9, 2019 at 07:00 PM I don't think that is any big secret, for me at least. I will also say that Trump has done zero for us, understandably he has other issues but as a single issue voter, my 2A rights is what I care about the most. I would beg to differ, Trump's two Supreme Court appointments have put us in a better position to solidify our 2nd rights at the highest court that will ripple through laws nationwide. I have little doubt we are in a better position than we have been in decades for the long run on 2nd rights thanks to Trump.Agreed, but he himself ordered the DOJ to “look into” bumpstocks and also said “take the guns first, due process 2nd”. That said, SCOTUS is more important in the long run than a presidency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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