InterestedBystander Posted August 31, 2017 at 06:06 PM Share Posted August 31, 2017 at 06:06 PM A recent article on the bill by thetrace which is not pro-gun. Full story at link https://www.thetrace.org/2017/08/chicago-shootings-illinois-gun-stores/ ..."Chicago Shootings Are Surging Again. But a Bill to Inspect Illinois Gun Stores Sits on the Shelf. With the ATF stretched thin, licensed firearms dealers can go years without close scrutiny. BY ETHAN MICHAELI · @ETHANMICHAELI·August 30, 2017As a summer surge in shootings puts Chicago on track for another staggering homicide total in 2017, an innovative approach to regulating gun dealers in Illinois will wait until next year for a chance to become law. The bill is the latest casualty of the states tight network of pro-gun lobbyists, activists, bloggers, and firearms businesses, its sponsor said. State Senator Don Harmon, a Democrat from the Chicago suburb of Oak Park, shepherded the Gun Dealer Licensing Act out of the upper chamber this spring on a vote of 30-21. Up next was the state House, where his fellow Democrats hold a comfortable 67-51 majority. In a phone interview, Harmon said that the states pro-gun forces, backed by the National Rifle Association, had swayed enough House members to prompt the legislations sponsor in that chamber to hold back the proposal. The bill was left sitting on the shelf when the Legislature adjourned its regular business for the year. Harmon said his House allies were still working to secure a winning margin for the bill when the Legislature returns in January."... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted August 31, 2017 at 06:55 PM Share Posted August 31, 2017 at 06:55 PM Evil never sleeps...they will keep trying until they get that passed and start closing down gun stores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted September 1, 2017 at 09:04 AM Share Posted September 1, 2017 at 09:04 AM "The Trace" is Mike Bloomberg's subtle anti-gun news source. Not bombastic anti-gun, much more subtle (but still advantageous to the anti's) writing. It has a direct propaganda purpose, and that is to appear to wrap itself in legitimacy so that when they try to pull a whopper they have a better chance of getting away with it. Sort of like the mudslinging crap that Madigan mails out in the day or two JUST BEFORE the election - a hit and run tactic to peak the negativity at EXACTLY the right time for their purposes. As for the Dealer Licensing bill, it has nowhere else to go but on the shelf as it grinds through the process, as it's proponents watch their whip counts as they try to get enough votes for it to not go down in flames. The thing stinks so badly that a lot of usually fence sitting legislators that DO occasionally vote anti-gun won't touch it. Willis laid a real egg with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted September 1, 2017 at 10:57 AM Share Posted September 1, 2017 at 10:57 AM So how does hiring more ghost payrollers increase the number of inspections to a significant level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirflyguy Posted September 1, 2017 at 12:25 PM Share Posted September 1, 2017 at 12:25 PM So how does hiring more ghost payrollers increase the number of inspections to a significant level? Because trying and appearing to try is all that matters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonP Posted September 1, 2017 at 02:51 PM Share Posted September 1, 2017 at 02:51 PM So how does hiring more ghost payrollers increase the number of inspections to a significant level? Because ... "Virtue Signalling" has become an Olympic sport for Lefty. Results are never measured, it's only their "good intentions" that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted September 13, 2017 at 05:00 PM Share Posted September 13, 2017 at 05:00 PM Being discussed today on capfax https://capitolfax.com/2017/09/13/the-story-behind-why-a-gun-dealer-licensing-bill-stalled/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumgod Posted September 13, 2017 at 07:21 PM Share Posted September 13, 2017 at 07:21 PM ..."Chicago Shootings Are Surging Again. But a Bill to Inspect Illinois Gun Stores Sits on the Shelf." Road rage deaths are on the rise too but for some reason nobody's pushing a bill to inspect car dealerships... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted September 13, 2017 at 07:47 PM Share Posted September 13, 2017 at 07:47 PM The goofy thing about the Trace article is that they're presenting this as if opposition to the bill was fabricated out of thin air. Here's another part of the back story they don't like to acknowledge: Gun dealer licensing bills have been floating around the legislature for years. They haven't gone anywhere for one reason - lack of support - a situation pro-gun groups in Illinois work hard to maintain. During the 99th General Assembly Representative Willis put more effort into a dealer licensing bill than others had, which gave some people the impression it had a better chance than prior bills. It did not. Now, in the 100th General Assembly, she filed a bill virtually identical to the one that already failed in the House a year before. This new bill saw less movement than the one before. Other than an extended committee deadline and a bunch of cosponsors there was, in fact, nothing to show at all. In the meantime Senator Harmon filed his dealer licensing bill in the Senate and, knowing it could pass there, that's where they put their effort. It did pass over to the House where, thanks to a lot of hard work by a lot of pro-gun folks, it still hasn't had the support to move. Is that a surprise? No, not to those of us who understand that a party majority doesn't equate to a majority vote on an anti-gun bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddan Posted September 13, 2017 at 09:45 PM Share Posted September 13, 2017 at 09:45 PM ...and ABC7 ran with a story yesterday on gun shop break-ins. http://abc7chicago.com/gun-store-thefts-spike-in-chicago-area/2409283/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted September 13, 2017 at 11:09 PM Share Posted September 13, 2017 at 11:09 PM ...and ABC7 ran with a story yesterday on gun shop break-ins. http://abc7chicago.com/gun-store-thefts-spike-in-chicago-area/2409283/ Yeah, you know it's coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted September 14, 2017 at 10:28 PM Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 10:28 PM I see the "increase" in gun shop burglaries to be a testament to:1. the effectiveness of background checks2. the recognition of straw buyer penalties3. the increased security of gun owners making their stashes no easy pickings and other factors escaping me that work to "dry up the supply". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted September 14, 2017 at 11:04 PM Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 11:04 PM the recognition of straw buyer penalties I don't know the statistics, but the most recent and most publicized case of a straw purchaser seems to indicate that a person can make straw purchases and sell to gangs with little or no consequences... http://www.guns.com/2017/04/17/straw-purchaser-with-4-felony-gun-charges-will-not-get-jail-time/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted September 15, 2017 at 03:00 AM Share Posted September 15, 2017 at 03:00 AM "Activist bloggers"..dam i luv that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted September 15, 2017 at 02:47 PM Share Posted September 15, 2017 at 02:47 PM On the shelf or better yet in the waste basket is where this bill belongs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted September 16, 2017 at 07:17 AM Share Posted September 16, 2017 at 07:17 AM the recognition of straw buyer penalties I don't know the statistics, but the most recent and most publicized case of a straw purchaser seems to indicate that a person can make straw purchases and sell to gangs with little or no consequences... http://www.guns.com/2017/04/17/straw-purchaser-with-4-felony-gun-charges-will-not-get-jail-time/ I can't cite them quickly, but I did see some "traffickers" get hard Federal time stories recently.I'll be trying to find them again. found one:https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/pr/convicted-felon-sentenced-8-years-federal-prison-illegally-possessing-30-firearms Of course, he could have been hit a lot harder (and should have). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted September 18, 2017 at 04:00 PM Share Posted September 18, 2017 at 04:00 PM ...and ABC7 ran with a story yesterday on gun shop break-ins. http://abc7chicago.com/gun-store-thefts-spike-in-chicago-area/2409283/ So now gun store burglaries are the "main cause" of street crime in Chicago. Last week it was "out of state straw purchases" and the week before it was "bad apple gun stores". Maybe the real main cause is ineffective city government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted September 19, 2017 at 12:19 AM Share Posted September 19, 2017 at 12:19 AM It looks like G-PAC is trying to ramp things up a bit on this bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverforget Posted September 19, 2017 at 01:12 AM Share Posted September 19, 2017 at 01:12 AM ...and ABC7 ran with a story yesterday on gun shop break-ins. http://abc7chicago.com/gun-store-thefts-spike-in-chicago-area/2409283/ Maybe the real main cause is ineffective city government? How about the real reason.. the out of control gangs with no fear of convictions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted September 19, 2017 at 01:56 AM Share Posted September 19, 2017 at 01:56 AM How about the real reason.. the out of control gangs with no fear of convictions I wonder how much longer the word "gang" can be used: Portland Police Dropping Gang-Member Database https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oregon/articles/2017-09-08/portland-police-dropping-gang-member-database The Portland Police Bureau plans to stop documenting people as gang members amid community concern that the label disproportionately affects minorities. Portland Police to stop labeling people as gang members: http://koin.com/2017/09/08/portland-to-stop-labeling-people-as-gang-members/ In recent years, the bureau — while working with community members — realized being labeled a “gang member” can negatively impact a person trying to overcome challenges in their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted September 19, 2017 at 02:19 AM Share Posted September 19, 2017 at 02:19 AM I wonder if they'll also stop labeling people "felons," "sex offenders", "pedophiles" or "domestic abusers." Otherwise, it's just another PC attempt to stay on the good side of criminal minorities. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted September 19, 2017 at 03:56 AM Share Posted September 19, 2017 at 03:56 AM It looks like G-PAC is trying to ramp things up a bit on this bill. I didn't see anything on their website, just some stuff from June. Aren't they supposed to coordinate with their friends in the media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted September 19, 2017 at 05:07 AM Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 at 05:07 AM It looks like G-PAC is trying to ramp things up a bit on this bill. I didn't see anything on their website, just some stuff from June. Aren't they supposed to coordinate with their friends in the media?FB page which it does not let me copy for some reason. A 17 yr old boy ("child") shot to death in Chicago Heights which they are equating to corrupt gun dealers. ...Gun Violence Prevention PAC - GPAC Illinois Another child gone. This time in the suburbs. It's not "if" gun violence will reach you, it's "when." Let's do something to stop corrupt gun dealers. #YesOnSB1657. 17-year-old boy shot to death in south suburbschicago.suntimes.com... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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