Jump to content


Photo

Daily Caller... Graham's red flag bill


  • Please log in to reply
11 replies to this topic

#1 TRJ

    The Original TRJ, Accept No Impostors

  • Supporting Members Team
  • 8,403 posts
  • Joined: 05-January 14

Posted 14 March 2019 - 06:56 AM

https://www.google.c...-lindsey-graham

Just in case you guys didn't know about this.

#2 steveTA84

    Member

  • Supporting Members Team
  • 2,986 posts
  • Joined: 14-December 15

Posted 14 March 2019 - 07:13 AM

Yep. Working with Saigon Dick B. on it. I have colorful words that will self edit here lol

#3 steveTA84

    Member

  • Supporting Members Team
  • 2,986 posts
  • Joined: 14-December 15

Posted 14 March 2019 - 07:16 AM

3/26 is the hearing it looks like

ZJNGw2s.jpg

#4 Colt guy

    Member

  • Supporting Members Team
  • 1,180 posts
  • Joined: 13-February 13

Posted 14 March 2019 - 10:33 AM

So where do we send our opposition to this garbage ? Besides Turbin’s office
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

#5 Bird76Mojo

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 809 posts
  • Joined: 07-March 10

Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:51 PM

To lindsey graham maybe?


Constitutional Carry - Proponent
Open Carry - Proponent

#6 Colt guy

    Member

  • Supporting Members Team
  • 1,180 posts
  • Joined: 13-February 13

Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:32 PM

To lindsey graham maybe?


Seems like a deaf ear in him or Durbin but I guess give it a shot.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

#7 JTHunter

    Member

  • Members
  • 1,282 posts
  • Joined: 29-November 13

Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:37 PM

No "due process" = "police state". :frantics:


“We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.” - - Abraham Lincoln

“Small minds adhere to the letter of the law; great minds dispense Justice.” - - S. C. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

Life member NAHC, Endowment member NRA

#8 PeepSight

    Member

  • Supporting Members Team
  • Pip
  • 58 posts
  • Joined: 08-January 18

Posted 14 March 2019 - 08:26 PM

No "due process" = "police state". :frantics:

 

Yes.


Edited by PeepSight, 14 March 2019 - 08:45 PM.


#9 markthesignguy

    S39-(D)D.Harmon(F-) R77-(D)K.Willis(F-)

  • Supporting Members Team
  • 2,857 posts
  • Joined: 11-July 08

Posted 14 March 2019 - 08:35 PM

GOA-PVF emailed me on this:
 

Mark,

Spineless Lindsey Graham has taken the first step to pass RED FLAG LAWS which would let law enforcement confiscate your firearms without any due process.

Gun Owners of America promises to fight back against this attempt to destroy the Second Amendment.

...But we also promise to target any politician complicit in this assault on your God-given rights come election season.

You might think it’s too early to start thinking about elections, but the anti-gun Left is already in full-campaign mode.

We need to protect our allies in Congress, as they are already being targeted by the anti-gun Bloomberg-machine.


Edited by markthesignguy, 14 March 2019 - 08:48 PM.

Sign, sign, everywhere a sign......
NRA Life Member
ISRA Life Member
 


#10 Glock23

    I am no one.

  • Supporting Members Team
  • 4,254 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 13

Posted 14 March 2019 - 08:37 PM

Just playing devil's advocate here, as many keep saying this is unconstitutional, no due process, etc. Do you feel the same about our justice system in general? The initial order to relinquish your firearms is like being arrested for committing a crime. The first hearing where a judge rules that there is sufficient evidence to continue the revocation is like an arraignment where a judge decides if there is enough evidence to move forward with charges. The hearing where someone must prove the red flag was substantiated is like your trial. If they win at the first, you lose your guns for a period of time, such as if you're found guilty you lose your freedom for a period of time. Just puttin' that out there.
** Illinois Carry - Supporting Member
** National Association for Gun Rights - Frontline Defender
** Gun Owners of America - Annual Member
** Illinois State Rifle Association - 3 year American Hero Member
** Second Amendment Foundation - Life Member
** National Rifle Association - Patron Life Member

#11 speedbump

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 966 posts
  • Joined: 20-August 13

Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:49 PM

Just playing devil's advocate here, as many keep saying this is unconstitutional, no due process, etc. Do you feel the same about our justice system in general?

The initial order to relinquish your firearms is like being arrested for committing a crime.

The first hearing where a judge rules that there is sufficient evidence to continue the revocation is like an arraignment where a judge decides if there is enough evidence to move forward with charges.

The hearing where someone must prove the red flag was substantiated is like your trial. If they win at the first, you lose your guns for a period of time, such as if you're found guilty you lose your freedom for a period of time.

Just puttin' that out there.


It is everything *EXCEPT* like a trial. Due Process requires certain things:
* The right to assist in your own defense
* The right to an attorney to assist you and protect your rights
* The right to confront your accuser
* The right to cross examine witnesses
* The right to be compensated for seized items


Without these things - and more - it is as unconstitutional an act as we've seen in recent years. The ex parte portions will be destroyed if/ when it reaches SCOTUS. If there is "clear and convincing evidence" as most red flag statutes claim, then that should be sufficient for a warrant...and for due process to be respected. Absent that, and the thought police will rule.
"J.J., you are an anomaly !" ~Mike Rowe~ aka: Mr. Molly

#12 JTHunter

    Member

  • Members
  • 1,282 posts
  • Joined: 29-November 13

Posted 17 March 2019 - 08:21 PM

Just playing devil's advocate here, as many keep saying this is unconstitutional, no due process, etc. Do you feel the same about our justice system in general?

The initial order to relinquish your firearms is like being arrested for committing a crime.

The first hearing where a judge rules that there is sufficient evidence to continue the revocation is like an arraignment where a judge decides if there is enough evidence to move forward with charges.

The hearing where someone must prove the red flag was substantiated is like your trial. If they win at the first, you lose your guns for a period of time, such as if you're found guilty you lose your freedom for a period of time.

Just puttin' that out there.


It is everything *EXCEPT* like a trial. Due Process requires certain things:
* The right to assist in your own defense
* The right to an attorney to assist you and protect your rights
* The right to confront your accuser
* The right to cross examine witnesses
* The right to be compensated for seized items


Without these things - and more - it is as unconstitutional an act as we've seen in recent years. The ex parte portions will be destroyed if/ when it reaches SCOTUS. If there is "clear and convincing evidence" as most red flag statutes claim, then that should be sufficient for a warrant...and for due process to be respected. Absent that, and the thought police will rule.

 

AKA "Minority Report".


“We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.” - - Abraham Lincoln

“Small minds adhere to the letter of the law; great minds dispense Justice.” - - S. C. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

Life member NAHC, Endowment member NRA




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users