Buzzard Posted December 15, 2017 at 01:58 PM Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 01:58 PM Just double checking before laying down the cash...are vertical fore-grips legal to be used on rifles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted December 15, 2017 at 01:59 PM Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 01:59 PM No state law against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted December 15, 2017 at 02:16 PM Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 02:16 PM My understanding is that a VFG is legal on rifles. On pistols, however, they fall under NFA/AOW guidelines. IANAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capotwosix Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:09 PM Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:09 PM Here's where it gets confusing. If you have an AR-Pistol with an overall length of 26" or under, then you can't add a foregrip. However, if your pistol is greater than 26", you can add a foregrip because it's then considered a "firearm". < 26" no foregrip > 26" foregrip is legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:23 PM Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:23 PM Here's where it gets confusing. If you have an AR-Pistol with an overall length of 26" or under, then you can't add a foregrip. However, if your pistol is greater than 26", you can add a foregrip because it's then considered a "firearm". < 26" no foregrip > 26" foregrip is legalI thought an angled fore grip (AFG) was permitted on pistols? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam77 Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:30 PM Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:30 PM The angled grip is. Or was anyway lol. You never know in this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capotwosix Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:56 PM Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:56 PM Here's where it gets confusing. If you have an AR-Pistol with an overall length of 26" or under, then you can't add a foregrip. However, if your pistol is greater than 26", you can add a foregrip because it's then considered a "firearm". < 26" no foregrip > 26" foregrip is legalI thought an angled fore grip (AFG) was permitted on pistols?Correct. I should have been more specific. OP asked about VFGs. VFGs are legal on rifles and or pistols > 26" which is then considered a firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted December 15, 2017 at 04:08 PM Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 04:08 PM For the sake of the discussion, I DO own a Magpul AFG-2 angled fore grip. I DON'T own an AR type pistol. Discussion of pistols and/or rifles is fine for this thread. "PLAYBALLLLLL!!" ( portraying my best Robert Duvall in Jack Reacher ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted December 15, 2017 at 09:22 PM Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 09:22 PM To sum it up in a nutshell: Angled fore grips - fine on anything Vertical fore grips - fine on anything except pistols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanook Posted December 15, 2017 at 11:53 PM Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 11:53 PM Here's where it gets confusing. If you have an AR-Pistol with an overall length of 26" or under, then you can't add a foregrip. However, if your pistol is greater than 26", you can add a foregrip because it's then considered a "firearm". < 26" no foregrip > 26" foregrip is legal Interesting. Is that state or federal law? It gets so confusing with AR pistols sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capotwosix Posted December 15, 2017 at 11:59 PM Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 11:59 PM Here's where it gets confusing. If you have an AR-Pistol with an overall length of 26" or under, then you can't add a foregrip. However, if your pistol is greater than 26", you can add a foregrip because it's then considered a "firearm". < 26" no foregrip > 26" foregrip is legal Interesting. Is that state or federal law? It gets so confusing with AR pistols sometimes. It is really confusing. I'm pretty sure that's federal per the NFA/ATF, but don't quote me on that. I know the ATF has some letters out there regarding these issues, and you can head over to r/nfa for more detailed explanations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScopeEye Posted December 16, 2017 at 01:02 AM Share Posted December 16, 2017 at 01:02 AM When measuring an AR pistol regarding the 26" length, it doesn't include muzzle attachment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted December 16, 2017 at 08:09 PM Share Posted December 16, 2017 at 08:09 PM When measuring an AR pistol regarding the 26" length, it doesn't include muzzle attachment...You would think, and that's how I understood it. Then I read this rulinghttps://www.isba.org/cases/illinois/appellate/2015/08/04/peoplevshreffler where a 14.5" barrel with a 1.5" flash hider unpinned was ruled legal. In Illinois. Also has some good info how courts rule on overall length measurements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiphar Posted December 18, 2017 at 11:10 PM Share Posted December 18, 2017 at 11:10 PM Does this mean that putting a vertical foregrip from an AR on the picatinny rail of my 9mm pistol is a felony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CILhunter Posted December 19, 2017 at 01:19 PM Share Posted December 19, 2017 at 01:19 PM Does this mean that putting a vertical foregrip from an AR on the picatinny rail of my 9mm pistol is a felony?yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrapyard Posted December 19, 2017 at 04:59 PM Share Posted December 19, 2017 at 04:59 PM When measuring an AR pistol regarding the 26" length, it doesn't include muzzle attachment...You would think, and that's how I understood it. Then I read this rulinghttps://www.isba.org/cases/illinois/appellate/2015/08/04/peoplevshreffler where a 14.5" barrel with a 1.5" flash hider unpinned was ruled legal. In Illinois. Also has some good info how courts rule on overall length measurements. If I'm understanding this correctly, they only reversed the charges because of the wording of the Illinois laws on barrel length and overall length. That would mean that even though the defendant weaseled out of the charges from IL, those firearms are still illegal for him to possess without a tax stamp according to the ATF and the federal gov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiphar Posted December 20, 2017 at 03:07 PM Share Posted December 20, 2017 at 03:07 PM Does this mean that putting a vertical foregrip from an AR on the picatinny rail of my 9mm pistol is a felony?yesThat's ridiculous. No intent or harm required; someone could do that very thing just out of curiosity and suddenly he/she's a felon.Sent from my LG-H931 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CILhunter Posted December 21, 2017 at 12:52 PM Share Posted December 21, 2017 at 12:52 PM Does this mean that putting a vertical foregrip from an AR on the picatinny rail of my 9mm pistol is a felony? yesThat's ridiculous. No intent or harm required; someone could do that very thing just out of curiosity and suddenly he/she's a felon. Sent from my LG-H931 using Tapatalk You are expecting the government to make sense. Don't do that to yourself. Not sure how often it's prosecuted, but if you run into the wrong combo of situation and State's Attorney/US Attorney who decides to make an example, it is 100% illegal. Don't take that chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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