Interesting news article... mentions IllinoisCarry!

[tricolor]

Take a look at this:

 

http://peoriapublicradio.org/post/illinois-concealed-carry-law-frustrates-both-law-enforcement-and-gun-owners

[JTHunter]

Not too surprising that it centers on Chicago's problems with the carry laws.

[Hap]

I got a kick out of Kwame Raoul saying that ILGA had to rush through consideration of the carry bill on account of the deadline set by the court. Come on, Kwame, you had literally years to consider carry before it even got to the 7th Circuit. You just didn't want any kind of a carry bill, and hoped you would be able to drag it out forever.

 

As they say in a somewhat different context, Time's Up.

[InterestedBystander]

Hmm...a variation of his wbez article

 

https://www.wbez.org/shows/wbez-news/state-board-regularly-oks-gun-licenses-despite-police-warnings/8305a761-bd66-405a-acf0-10dac6b825a1

[mic6010]

And in typical propaganda journalism fashion they make this case for turning IL into a may-issue state...Yet of course they lie about the counter argument by omitting glaring details and obvious wrongs with that system. They fail to point out that most of the people that have been Darted had no real reason to be. People with no serious prohibiting factors or violent crimes on their record. People that otherwise already qualify for an FOID card and can legally own firearms. People that would otherwise have no way to appeal an unjust decision by "law enforcement" (politicians and political agendas) when they get the final say.

 

They of course don't point out the fact that Democrats like Clown-me Raoul always use may-issue as a guise for a defacto ban on concealed carrying for 99% of the population.

Because that's the actual fact in almost all the states where may-issue is the law and Democrats control things. First you get "may-issue" then you expand the list of prohibited persons to included pretty much anyone and everyone. Then may-issue turns into shall-not issue just like that.

Then it gets to the point where even people that are being stalked or harassed by violent felons can't carry a gun to defend themselves. You hear about those stories all the time in those glorious may-issue havens.

 

But nope, not a shed of journalistic integrity or trying to get a story right. Instead its just about how us crazy concealed carriers are being unreasonable about gang members getting a concealed carry permit. And that's why nobody reads their garbage papers or tunes into their propaganda spewing news shows.

[FLMOPE]

MALLOY: “It is frustrating. It’s kind of out of our hands then. Even though we objected to it.”

 

You are not judge and Jury. You have done your job. Let due process follow it's course.

 

Too many bureaucrats and politicians in this state believe they should have the final say on things.

[mic6010]

MALLOY: “It is frustrating. It’s kind of out of our hands then. Even though we objected to it.”

 

You are not judge and Jury. You have done your job. Let due process follow it's course.

 

Too many bureaucrats and politicians in this state believe they should have the final say on things.

 

But they HAVE to stop the gun violence in Chicago don't you understand ? All those licensed concealed carriers that are turning the streets of Chicago into rivers of blood.

Due Process !!!??? Don't you care about the children you evil terrorist ?

[FLMOPE]

I am assuming that last post was sarcasm.

 

In our present political climate being called a "terrorist" by certain Governors is a badge of honor. Kind of like having King George III call you a rebel or terrorist.

[Xwing]

That article was a bit biased. They "conveniently forgot" to mention the silliness that most of Cook Co's objections are based upon. The fact that 80-90% got overturned because they did not have good reason. I'm sure there are a few who slipped through the cracks. But there are many more who were wrongly denied and unable to get a license.

[soylentgreen]

I think it's fascinating that they included no information on how all the predictions of "Wild West" shootouts haven't materialized.

Perhaps more of these people accused of felonies would be barred from getting a CCL if law enforcement would DO THEIR JOBS! Don't arrest people and then fail to prosecute them and then complain that the board won't hear your objections. If you want to keep the bad apples from getting a license, you need to do more than just arrest them and let them go.

Even "documented" gang members have a right to due process. Arresting them for a crime isn't enough. You need to prosecute and convict them before you can take away their rights. A lot of arrests happen and aren't prosecuted because the cop acted improperly or the prosecutor didn't think the case was a slam dunk and didn't want his record of successful prosecutions tarnished with a loss. Well, those decisions have consequences.

It's pretty frustrating to hear stories of good people being destroyed over a technicality when KNOWN bad guys are not prosecuted or are plea-bargained down to a slap on the wrist. It's also very frustrating to see people being denied or held in limbo in getting their licenses without being given any reason for the delay or being given an opportunity to rebut the reasons.

So, the closing statement of the article is wrong. The people concerned about bad guys getting licenses have no basis to be concerned with the law. The law itself is fine. What's not fine is wanting to keep people from accessing their rights without due process. There are no shortcuts. If you want to keep certain people from carrying legally, you're doing to have to go through the work to convict them of an actual crime. Sorry.

[cybermgk]

blocked at work from first link, but in 2nd link I think anyone with a brain can see that

 

A) Only Chicago and CPD and CCSO are complaining about being overturned.

 

"Valinda Rowe with IllinoisCarry and Richard Pearson with the Illinois State Rifle Association have both suggested that Chicago-area law enforcement, and the Cook County Sheriff’s Office in particular, frequently file spurious objections"

 

Paint a picture.

 

And I SERIOUSLY question the anecdotal references:

 

"In March of 2017, the Cook County Sheriff’s Office tried to prevent a man previously arrested for criminal sexual abuse and domestic battery from getting a state-issued license to legally carry a gun. The man received the license, according to the sheriff’s office.

 

Notice it doesn't say CONVICTED, just arrested.

 

"That same month, the sheriff’s office tried to stop another man from getting his concealed carry license. It objected because the man had previously been arrested for criminal sexual abuse and violating an order of protection. He too got the license"

 

Again, arrested, not convicted. And, anyone that is anyone knows how abused the Temporary Order of Protection system is.

 

 

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In May of 2017, the sheriff’s office tried to stop a documented gang member who had been arrested for robbery from legally carrying a gun. Once again, the man ultimately got the license.

"

 

Again arrested, not convicted, and who knows what 'documented' means. Considering, they were trying to use these to support a narrative, you would think these are the most egregious sounding they could come up with. Which means there are a LOT of very spurious objections beyond these.

 

He CPD and CCSO, how about you complain about arrested/convicted felons not being prosecuted and/or released, let alone imprisoned.