steveTA84 Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:04 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:04 PM Well, he knows that what hes doing is going to cause backlash and he doesnt care, meaning hes tossing his supporters aside (the ones who voted for him for gun rights). Now, NO ONE wants crazy people having guns, which is why theres already laws on the books for this type of thing. But no, we need UBCs and red flag laws now. F him and his Fudd son (thats pretty much a Fudd sumed up. Not about rights, but sport). Video in link. https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1159915397656784896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1159915397656784896&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.akfiles.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D387138 Guess the rest of the US is going to be like Illinois once these are at the federal level. Not a brilliant plan to win an election. And before I get called a never-Trumper, I wasnt. Im calling it for what it is: a stab in the back. If a Dem was president and doing this it would be a united front against them, but people are giving him a pass. A lot of Rs are on board with this and now as we see, some are supporting magazine size limits. We know this wont stop mass shootings, so what next on the list?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:16 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:16 PM Just that snippet could be read a lot of different ways. None of us want crazy people to have firearms. Let's see what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:18 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:18 PM there is a LOT of reading into things here at IC latelystock prices of Reynolds is way I i'd assume...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:21 PM Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:21 PM Just that snippet could be read a lot of different ways. None of us want crazy people to have firearms. Let's see what he does.When he says hes going to do something on guns, he means it Re: Bumpstocks And Erics comment should say a lot as well (and Eric and Don Jr are much more gun folk than big D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:22 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:22 PM Just that snippet could be read a lot of different ways. None of us want crazy people to have firearms. Let's see what he does.When he says he’s going to do something on guns, he means it Re: Bumpstocks Not saying he won't, just saying that snippet can be read different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:25 PM Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:25 PM Just that snippet could be read a lot of different ways. None of us want crazy people to have firearms. Let's see what he does. When he says he’s going to do something on guns, he means itRe: Bumpstocks Not saying he won't, just saying that snippet can be read different ways.His own son pretty much confirms it But yeah, we’ll see. If UBC’s and red flag laws are voted on and signed into law he (and many R’s) can kiss 2020 goodbye for the most part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydawg13 Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:29 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:29 PM Well, he knows that what hes doing is going to cause backlash and he doesnt care, meaning hes tossing his supporters aside (the ones who voted for him for gun rights). Now, NO ONE wants crazy people having guns, which is why theres already laws on the books for this type of thing. But no, we need UBCs and red flag laws now. F him and his Fudd son (thats pretty much a Fudd sumed up. Not about rights, but sport). Video in link. https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1159915397656784896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1159915397656784896&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.akfiles.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D387138 Guess the rest of the US is going to be like Illinois once these are at the federal level. Not a brilliant plan to win an election. And before I get called a never-Trumper, I wasnt. Im calling it for what it is: a stab in the back. If a Dem was president and doing this it would be a united front against them, but people are giving him a pass. A lot of Rs are on board with this and now as we see, some are supporting magazine size limits. We know this wont stop mass shootings, so what next on the list?......so which of the candidates on the left do you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:31 PM Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:31 PM Well, he knows that what hes doing is going to cause backlash and he doesnt care, meaning hes tossing his supporters aside (the ones who voted for him for gun rights). Now, NO ONE wants crazy people having guns, which is why theres already laws on the books for this type of thing. But no, we need UBCs and red flag laws now. F him and his Fudd son (thats pretty much a Fudd sumed up. Not about rights, but sport). Video in link.https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1159915397656784896?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1159915397656784896&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.akfiles.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D387138Guess the rest of the US is going to be like Illinois once these are at the federal level. Not a brilliant plan to win an election. And before I get called a never-Trumper, I wasnt. Im calling it for what it is: a stab in the back. If a Dem was president and doing this it would be a united front against them, but people are giving him a pass. A lot of Rs are on board with this and now as we see, some are supporting magazine size limits. We know this wont stop mass shootings, so what next on the list?...... so which of the candidates on the left do you likeNone. But Trump fooled us all when he said the assualt on your second amendment rights are over Not going to even bother voting for president. Ill write in Gary Busey And thats they most common response (what you said). Are you excusing him? Hes doing the same things the antis would be doing and have been calling for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:35 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:35 PM None. But Trump fooled us all when he said the assualt on your second amendment rights are over Not going to even bother voting for president. Ill write in Gary Busey And thats they most common response (what you said). Are you excusing him? Edited by steveTA84, Today, 06:31 PM.Many of us don't see sitting out an election a valid option. Do what you like. I'll be voting for the most pro-gun (or least anti if that's what it comes to) candidate I can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:39 PM Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:39 PM None. But Trump fooled us all when he said the assualt on your second amendment rights are overNot going to even bother voting for president. Ill write in Gary BuseyAnd thats they most common response (what you said). Are you excusing him?Edited by steveTA84, Today, 06:31 PM. Many of us don't see sitting out an election s a valid option. Do what you like. I'll be voting for the most pro-gun (or least anti if that's what it comes to) candidate I can find.Gary Busey That all said, MDA is putting out alerts for events to pressure our senators into doing what they (and Trump) want https://act.everytown.org/event/august-recess-2019/search/?akid=247218.7395501.EcmJmc&rd=1&refcode=emne_RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812&source=emne_RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812&t=13&utm_campaign=RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812&utm_medium=e&utm_source=emne_RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:45 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:45 PM Funny how that option (Gary Busey) just happens to one of those crazy people Trump might be talking about!I would have thought that out a bit longer........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:47 PM Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:47 PM Funny how a on option (Gary Buddy) just happens to one of those crazy people Trump might be talking about!I would have thought that out a bit longer........It would be an entertaining presidency because he would just start rambling and barking at people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:47 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:47 PM That all said, MDA is putting out alerts for events to pressure our senators into doing what they (and Trump) want https://act.everytown.org/event/august-recess-2019/search/?akid=247218.7395501.EcmJmc&rd=1&refcode=emne_RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812&source=emne_RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812&t=13&utm_campaign=RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812&utm_medium=e&utm_source=emne_RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812 That's an interesting connection you're trying to establish. Personally, I don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:48 PM Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:48 PM That all said, MDA is putting out alerts for events to pressure our senators into doing what they (and Trump) wanthttps://act.everytown.org/event/august-recess-2019/search/?akid=247218.7395501.EcmJmc&rd=1&refcode=emne_RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812&source=emne_RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812&t=13&utm_campaign=RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812&utm_medium=e&utm_source=emne_RecessRalliesEmail1-20190812That's an interesting connection you're trying to establish.Personally, I don't see it.Does he endorse Red Flag Laws? Has he shown a lot of support for expanded background checks? No, they dont like Trump, but this is what they want anyways. Thats the connection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:55 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:55 PM Does he endorse Red Flag Laws? Has he shown a lot of support for expanded background checks? No, they dont like Trump, but this is what they want anyways. Thats the connection Edited by steveTA84, Today, 06:49 PM. Do other candidates support more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydawg13 Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:58 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:58 PM I will be thinking about her replacement when I Vote Ruth Bader Ginsburgruth.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:58 PM Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 11:58 PM Does he endorse Red Flag Laws? Has he shown a lot of support for expanded background checks?No, they dont like Trump, but this is what they want anyways. Thats the connectionEdited by steveTA84, Today, 06:49 PM.Do other candidates support more?Is it not ok to criticize Trump for something you don’t agree with? The democrats and never trumpers in here to it all the time on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:00 AM Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:00 AM I will be thinking about her replacement when I Vote Ruth Bader Ginsburg[/size] Yeah that’s true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:01 AM Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:01 AM Does he endorse Red Flag Laws? Has he shown a lot of support for expanded background checks?No, they dont like Trump, but this is what they want anyways. Thats the connectionEdited by steveTA84, Today, 06:49 PM.Do other candidates support more? Is it not ok to criticize Trump for something you don’t agree with? The democrats and never trumpers in here to it all the time on here Why deflect from my question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:04 AM Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:04 AM Does he endorse Red Flag Laws? Has he shown a lot of support for expanded background checks?No, they dont like Trump, but this is what they want anyways. Thats the connectionEdited by steveTA84, Today, 06:49 PM.Do other candidates support more? Is it not ok to criticize Trump for something you dont agree with? The democrats and never trumpers in here to it all the time on hereWhy deflect from my question? Other candidates support more, whats youre point? Mine is that webe been lied to and hes caving in to the antis in an attempt to shut them up till the next mass shooting, at which point more will need to be done..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:07 AM Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:07 AM Other candidates support more, whats youre point? Mine is that webe been lied to and hes caving in to the antis in an attempt to shut them up till the next mass shooting, at which point more will need to be done..... My point is that not voting works against us more than voting for an imperfect candidate does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:08 AM Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:08 AM Other candidates support more, whats youre point?Mine is that webe been lied to and hes caving in to the antis in an attempt to shut them up till the next mass shooting, at which point more will need to be done.....My point is that not voting works against us more than voting for an imperfect candidate does.It is IL though, so not like it matters much lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:10 AM Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:10 AM Other candidates support more, whats youre point?Mine is that webe been lied to and hes caving in to the antis in an attempt to shut them up till the next mass shooting, at which point more will need to be done.....My point is that not voting works against us more than voting for an imperfect candidate does. It is IL though, so not like it matters much lol We never know until we try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:26 AM Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:26 AM Other candidates support more, whats youre point?Mine is that webe been lied to and hes caving in to the antis in an attempt to shut them up till the next mass shooting, at which point more will need to be done.....My point is that not voting works against us more than voting for an imperfect candidate does.This. While I support people doing what they want voting, I dont get the not voting or voting for a candidate with no chance of winning when the other alternative in the main parties are going to go all gun control like we have not seen before. If I need to vote for Trump vs getting a Biden, Warren, Booker or AOC elected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRApistol Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:38 AM Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:38 AM Other candidates support more, whats youre point?Mine is that webe been lied to and hes caving in to the antis in an attempt to shut them up till the next mass shooting, at which point more will need to be done.....My point is that not voting works against us more than voting for an imperfect candidate does.It is IL though, so not like it matters much lol Some of us like like trying, if you`re not trying you`re just whining. In my book, If you don`t vote you lose your right to whine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:50 AM Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 12:50 AM Other candidates support more, whats youre point?Mine is that webe been lied to and hes caving in to the antis in an attempt to shut them up till the next mass shooting, at which point more will need to be done.....My point is that not voting works against us more than voting for an imperfect candidate does. It is IL though, so not like it matters much lolSome of us like like trying, if you`re not trying you`re just whining. In my book, If you don`t vote you lose your right to whine. Ive been trying to fight for our rights for over a year by exposing those who work against us for over a year. Myself and others have gotten actively involved and done some good work and put our necks on the line (ticking off powerful people is risky). Sorry if myself (and others) feel like its a kick in the nuts to have Mr. pro-2A President turn on us and agree with those were fighting against and have engaged heavily on a national level. And by all means, try. No ones saying not to. But call BS when you see it and dont just accept it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRApistol Posted August 13, 2019 at 01:08 AM Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 01:08 AM Other candidates support more, whats youre point?Mine is that webe been lied to and hes caving in to the antis in an attempt to shut them up till the next mass shooting, at which point more will need to be done.....My point is that not voting works against us more than voting for an imperfect candidate does. It is IL though, so not like it matters much lolSome of us like like trying, if you`re not trying you`re just whining. In my book, If you don`t vote you lose your right to whine. Ive been trying to fight for our rights for over a year by exposing those who work against us for over a year. Myself and others have gotten actively involved and done some good work and put our necks on the line (ticking off powerful people is risky). Sorry if myself (and others) feel like its a kick in the nuts to have Mr. pro-2A President turn on us and agree with those were fighting against and have engaged heavily on a national level. And by all means, try. No ones saying not to. But call BS when you see it and dont just accept itBS. Your Opinions are your opinions. My comment was about voting, not who for: "Some of us like like trying, if you`re not trying you`re just whining. In my book, If you don`t vote you lose your right to whine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 13, 2019 at 01:15 AM Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 01:15 AM Other candidates support more, whats youre point?Mine is that webe been lied to and hes caving in to the antis in an attempt to shut them up till the next mass shooting, at which point more will need to be done.....My point is that not voting works against us more than voting for an imperfect candidate does.It is IL though, so not like it matters much lolSome of us like like trying, if you`re not trying you`re just whining. In my book, If you don`t vote you lose your right to whine.Ive been trying to fight for our rights for over a year by exposing those who work against us for over a year. Myself and others have gotten actively involved and done some good work and put our necks on the line (ticking off powerful people is risky). Sorry if myself (and others) feel like its a kick in the nuts to have Mr. pro-2A President turn on us and agree with those were fighting against and have engaged heavily on a national level.And by all means, try. No ones saying not to. But call BS when you see it and dont just accept itBS. Your Opinions are your opinions. My comment was about voting, not who for: "Some of us like like trying, if you`re not trying you`re just whining. In my book, If you don`t vote you lose your right to whine." Do you agree with Trumps positions on federal Red Flag Laws and UBCs? Yes or no? And true, which is why (if these bills hit his desk and he signs them) I wont be voting for him. Ill write in someone else (or maybe vote for him because of RBGs time being almost over) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRApistol Posted August 13, 2019 at 01:25 AM Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 01:25 AM ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted August 13, 2019 at 01:30 AM Share Posted August 13, 2019 at 01:30 AM It is definitely a kick in the gut to think Trump might go this direction but I'm willing to wait and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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