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#1 mauserme

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 09:43 AM

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These members of the Liberal Gun Club say they can be both left-leaning and support gun rights


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... there is a growing group of people doing the unexpected. Theyre called the Liberal Gun Club, just one of a number of left-leaning gun clubs now in operation, who seem to support less gun restrictions and agree with the NRA on some points.

Im Lara. Im a liberal. I voted for Hilary Clinton. But Im a strong Second Amendment supporter, Lara Smith, a lawyer and the president of the California chapter of the Liberal Gun Club, told ABC News Nightline.

The club was founded in 2008, and they hold conventions, advise politicians, stage so-called Meet in the Middle events, educate and train.

The mission of the Liberal Gun Club is education, said Smith.

Smith said she was anti-gun and started shooting only four years ago. After giving it a try, researching the issue and having too many arguments with her gun-loving, former Marine husband, Ed Smith, she changed her views.
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The Liberal Gun Club says it now has 7,500 members nationwide. They agree with their more right-wing brothers and sisters on some points.

The government says, Hey were going to change this so everybody has to give up their guns. What else is going to be next? said Fermon.

However, there are some points they disagree with.

Particularly under this administration, I dont want to give up any of my constitutional rights, said Lara Smith.

I have an issue, and trust issues in general with law enforcement, Fermon said. Now youre telling me what little slim chance of protection I had is now gone, and is given to people that I dont trust at all. How is that fair?
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According to the Pew Research Center, 44 percent of Republicans and right-leaning independents own guns. And 20 percent of Democrats or left-leaning independents own guns.

I think a lot more people have guns here that are liberal than we know about, said Ed Smith.

When it comes to mass shootings, Lara Smith says she doesnt think banning guns is the answer.

The only suggestions were getting are, Out of my cold, dead hands. Were doing nothing or, Ban this kind of gun! Those arent solutions, Lara Smith said. I dont think bans are the answer. I think there are these huge societal issues that we have to look at.

Lara Smith said she agrees with President Donald Trump, who, after the Sutherland Springs church shooting, said, This is a mental health issue at the highest level.
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Posted 23 November 2017 - 09:52 AM

"I have an issue, and trust issues in general with law enforcement, Fermon said. Now youre telling me what little slim chance of protection I had is now gone, and is given to people that I dont trust at all. How is that fair?"

Over reliance on the government seems to be a cornerstone of the left.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 10:21 AM

Voting for Hillary Clinton, and claiming to be in favor of the Second Amendment makes no sense. The two things are mutually exclusive. That creature would disarm all of us if she had her way. 



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Posted 23 November 2017 - 10:22 AM

That argument is a particularly strong one in communities that don't trust the police. These same people vote for gun banners so this development might be a good thing when the banners realize their constituents want to protect their families too.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

Adherence to the Constitution should not be a liberal or conservative position. All Freedom loving adherents should be respectful of our Constitution. Anyone, liberal or conservative, should be on the same page, we are a nation that has historically been respectful of the rule of law. It is difficult, but not impossible to amend it. We should not advocate elasticity or distortions of the Constitution. Someday it may be our need for protection that is threatened with distortion. It may seem expedient to legislate from the bench, but it has the effect of causing long term damage. If our rights and responsibilities become fluid, subject to the whim and folly of a judge rather than a written constitution we are in trouble.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 10:27 AM

That argument is a particularly strong one in communities that don't trust the police. These same people vote for gun banners so this development might be a good thing when the banners realize their constituents want to protect their families too.


That's exactly it. Traditionalists need to find their voice again.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 11:25 AM

It's a much needed change. We can't keep our gun rights if it's a one sided issue.

The left used to put themselves in the hands of government. Now that we've elected a government they don't like they realize the government isn't going to bend to their wills.

They realize they need to start relying on themselves. They're realizing what we've known all along, the government is not there to help you.

I may disagree with some viewpoints on the left (and some on the right), but the more people that are armed the more the government fears and serves its people.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 11:50 AM

It's a much needed change. We can't keep our gun rights if it's a one sided issue.

The left used to put themselves in the hands of government. Now that we've elected a government they don't like they realize the government isn't going to bend to their wills.

They realize they need to start relying on themselves. They're realizing what we've known all along, the government is not there to help you.

I may disagree with some viewpoints on the left (and some on the right), but the more people that are armed the more the government fears and serves its people.

And the less chance of it becoming the United Socialist States of America. 

 

I think, and it appears confirmed, that what I guess you can call 'classical' liberals are seeing that the peoples right to bear arms is to protect themselves from governments both foreign AND domestic.

 

It' the ever radical, left extremists, that know they can't put their form of totalitarian socialism (or worse) into place with an armed populace.  Additionally, their temporary allies, those that do NOT want a strong US, or strong Nations in general, in charge of their own destiny, also don't want a free, and able to remain so, populace.


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 12:40 PM

I am reminded of something I heard of one of those youtube things from Dennis Prager. 

 

It boiled down to basically "Liberals are not the left." The left are those that claimed the name, but are not liberal.

 

Seems to me that there are a few here that claim the title liberal. Okay, as long as we all agree that the 2nd is sacrosanct, we can argue about other important topics, if we want to. Thick crust vs thin crust, for example.Cubs vs Sox, or where the best vacation spots are.

 

Liberals with guns.....no biggie. 

 

Leftists with guns.....hello Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, etc.   Big difference.

 

JMHO


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 02:09 PM

Leftists?

 

Leftists?

 

Did somebody say Leftists?


 

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 02:09 PM

I am reminded of something I heard of one of those youtube things from Dennis Prager. 
 
It boiled down to basically "Liberals are not the left." The left are those that claimed the name, but are not liberal.
 
Seems to me that there are a few here that claim the title liberal. Okay, as long as we all agree that the 2nd is sacrosanct, we can argue about other important topics, if we want to. Thick crust vs thin crust, for example.Cubs vs Sox, or where the best vacation spots are.
 
Liberals with guns.....no biggie. 
 
Leftists with guns.....hello Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, etc.   Big difference.
 
JMHO


^I agree. Classic liberals have been abandoned by the progressive left the same way classic conservatives have been abandoned by the statists running the right.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 04:45 PM

 

I am reminded of something I heard of one of those youtube things from Dennis Prager. 
 
It boiled down to basically "Liberals are not the left." The left are those that claimed the name, but are not liberal.
 
Seems to me that there are a few here that claim the title liberal. Okay, as long as we all agree that the 2nd is sacrosanct, we can argue about other important topics, if we want to. Thick crust vs thin crust, for example.Cubs vs Sox, or where the best vacation spots are.
 
Liberals with guns.....no biggie. 
 
Leftists with guns.....hello Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, etc.   Big difference.
 
JMHO


^I agree. Classic liberals have been abandoned by the progressive left the same way classic conservatives have been abandoned by the statists running the right.

 

the way I usually say it is: we get to choose between big govt socialists on the right or big govt communists on the left :(



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Posted 23 November 2017 - 06:29 PM

Interesting, I don't see how that can hurt us, IMHO.



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Posted 23 November 2017 - 07:13 PM

I am reminded of something I heard of one of those youtube things from Dennis Prager. 

 

It boiled down to basically "Liberals are not the left." The left are those that claimed the name, but are not liberal.

 

Seems to me that there are a few here that claim the title liberal. Okay, as long as we all agree that the 2nd is sacrosanct, we can argue about other important topics, if we want to. Thick crust vs thin crust, for example.Cubs vs Sox, or where the best vacation spots are.

 

Liberals with guns.....no biggie. 

 

Leftists with guns.....hello Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, etc.   Big difference.

 

JMHO

 

I agree with this.

 

A true liberal is for more freedom.   

 

The left, on the other hand, are for more totalitarianism.   They love using words in an Orwellian manner - meaning the OPPOSITE what the words normally mean.

They love to redefine words to mean something OTHER than their meaning.    

 

Gay from "happy" to "homosexual" to "homosexual with a particular totalitarian agenda."

Sex meaning "human characteristic meaning male or female" to gender meaning "object characteristic, meaning one of 53 (and counting) different types."


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 08:16 PM

Interesting, I don't see how that can hurt us, IMHO.

But it doesn't help us either. So its just meh.... They can be as pro gun as they want but the people they are voting into office are gonna take those guns away from them and the rest of us just the same. Being pro gun and voting for liberals is like voting third party. Its a waste of time.


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 08:45 PM

I am reminded of something I heard of one of those youtube things from Dennis Prager. 

 

It boiled down to basically "Liberals are not the left." The left are those that claimed the name, but are not liberal.

 

Seems to me that there are a few here that claim the title liberal. Okay, as long as we all agree that the 2nd is sacrosanct, we can argue about other important topics, if we want to. Thick crust vs thin crust, for example.Cubs vs Sox, or where the best vacation spots are.

 

Liberals with guns.....no biggie. 

 

Leftists with guns.....hello Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, etc.   Big difference.

 

JMHO

Thin crust.  Pretty well known fact.


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 07:44 AM

Her politics are incompatible with her support of the Second Amendment. Voting for Hillary and being a 2A supporter is like voting for Trump because you want free stuff. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 08:18 AM

 

Interesting, I don't see how that can hurt us, IMHO.

But it doesn't help us either. So its just meh.... They can be as pro gun as they want but the people they are voting into office are gonna take those guns away from them and the rest of us just the same. Being pro gun and voting for liberals is like voting third party. Its a waste of time.

 

Disagree. 

 

Being now aware of the importance of their 2nd amendment rights, means two things to me,  One, they aren't full left libtard, i.e. completely unable to critically think, and Two, they might actually not just vote 'party line' because of it.  I think in may cases, they may vote more libertarian, but that works, imho viz a viz 2nd amendment concerns.


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 10:42 AM

A lot of these people are purchasing firearms because they're scared of Trump. Pretty ironic since they're the same ones who tell us we don't need guns, the government isn't a threat. Oh wait, NOW it is bexause Trump is POTUS. Not if Hillary had been elected *snicker* Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 11:16 AM

I stopped reading at "I voted for Hilary Clinton." IF HRC had her way, left, liberal, whatever you want to call it means squat. She would disarm America completely following Obamas lead and then pardon Franken, Weinstein, Rose but hang Roy Moore. The funny thing is didn't Franken, Weinstein and Rose all use Bill Clintons "my pants fell down and I'm commando" trick from the '90s?

 

"Lara Smith, a lawyer" says a lot right there. I was told that if you want the best attorney that you can possibly get then you want one that you wouldn't let in your house and if you did, don't ever let them use your bathroom because they will steal from your medicine cabinet.

 

Do you know who told me that? A former President of the Illinois Trial Lawyers Association. I have no reason to doubt that statement. I always go to my attorneys office and never have had an issue, I have always come out on top in any legal matter that I have been involved in. Plus nothing is missing from my house or medicine cabinet so I have that going for me.



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Posted 24 November 2017 - 11:37 AM

"Lara Smith, a lawyer" says a lot right there. I was told that if you want the best attorney that you can possibly get then you want one that you wouldn't let in your house and if you did, don't ever let them use your bathroom because they will steal from your medicine cabinet.   Do you know who told me that? A former President of the Illinois Trial Lawyers Association. I have no reason to doubt that statement. I always go to my attorneys office and never have had an issue, I have always come out on top in any legal matter that I have been involved in. Plus nothing is missing from my house or medicine cabinet so I have that going for me.
The best lawyers know the law. She does not, since she seems to not have a problem voting for someone who's got FBI investigating her, her husband, her family's "charitable" foundation still to this day. The best lawyers will argue the definition of the word "the." End of story haha. Yeah, but if you want a great lawyer, hire someone you do not trust to leave alone in your home. Just like if you want a good divorce lawyer, don't hire a pansy. Hire a pitbull who's got no conscience and is willing to eviscerate anyone in his or her path. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 12:44 PM

If you voted for Hillary, you are no friend of the Second Amendment.  You can say it.  You can even believe it.  But you are not.


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 03:26 PM

Hmmm...voted for Hillary while claiming to be pro-2A.

 

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 03:50 PM

Voting for Hillary Clinton, and claiming to be in favor of the Second Amendment makes no sense. The two things are mutually exclusive. That creature would disarm all of us if she had her way. 

Agreed. But as I've said before. It's not unlike some liberal gun owners on this forum.  They like their guns and want to talk guns but voted for Hillary Clinton who undermines the 2nd Amendment. We need liberals who are with us fighting for the 2nd Amendment not enemies among us.


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 04:00 PM

Adherence to the Constitution should not be a liberal or conservative position. All Freedom loving adherents should be respectful of our Constitution. Anyone, liberal or conservative, should be on the same page, we are a nation that has historically been respectful of the rule of law. It is difficult, but not impossible to amend it. We should not advocate elasticity or distortions of the Constitution. Someday it may be our need for protection that is threatened with distortion. It may seem expedient to legislate from the bench, but it has the effect of causing long term damage. If our rights and responsibilities become fluid, subject to the whim and folly of a judge rather than a written constitution we are in trouble.

Agreed. I respect Jonathon Turley, a liberal, and appreciate hearing his discussions regarding our U.S. Constitution. But don't know any other liberal who is in the same league as Turley.



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Posted 25 November 2017 - 09:12 AM

The reason I think it can't hurt is that these liberals just may be able to convince their side to change some of their views on gun control.  Yes, they'll probably vote democrat no matter if the candidate is anti gun or not.  But it can't hurt to have an insider of their party working on trying to get them to change their anti gun stance...IMO.



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Posted 25 November 2017 - 09:34 AM

The reason I think it can't hurt is that these liberals just may be able to convince their side to change some of their views on gun control.  Yes, they'll probably vote democrat no matter if the candidate is anti gun or not.  But it can't hurt to have an insider of their party working on trying to get them to change their anti gun stance...IMO.

Theoretically (same logic as the need for illegal aliens to report other illegal aliens.)

But if a person doesn't mind losing his rights to own a gun (voting Hillary), how much will he influence others who support gun control? Might not be a popular position for a liberal... just more hypocrisy?

This last election was unique regarding 2A. No cover for 2A hypocrites. You were either for 2A (Trump) or against it (Hillary and others) starting with the appointment of a new Supreme Court Justice.

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 09:55 AM

They'll sell out the second amendment the moment Hilldog says "turn them in".



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Posted 25 November 2017 - 10:57 AM

They'll sell out the second amendment the moment Hilldog says "turn them in".

 

Very not true!


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Posted 25 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

Ya,

 

This last election was a crucible the Second Amendment.  We would have had Merrick Garland, but instead we now have Neil Gorsuch


 

Mayor Bloomberg himself has recently turned his attention from oversize soft drinks to gun control, confirming the tendency of the Progressive to go from nanny to tyrant.
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“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters” 
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