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Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:34 PM

http://www.breitbart...nsecutive-week/
 

Mitch McConnell Ignores National Reciprocity for 45th Consecutive Week


 
by AWR Hawkins16 Jan 2018
 
We are mid-way through January 2018 which means Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has ignored national reciprocity for 45 consecutive weeks.
 
National reciprocity for concealed carry was introduced in the Senate on March 1, 2017 and McConnell has yet to say a word in support of it. His silence is ironic, given the fact that he cloaked himself in the Second Amendment in order to sway pro-gun Kentuckians into re-electing him in 2014.
 
On November 7, 2013, the Lexington Herald-Leader quoted NRA-ILA’s Chris Cox, who helped swat Democrat criticism of McConnell, saying, “It’s safe to say that law-abiding gun owners in Kentucky represent not only a loyal group of voters but a savvy group of voters. And they know the difference between campaign rhetoric and someone who has fought in the trenches for years for their issues.”
 
But McConnell seems to be a long way from the trenches now. ...
 
Do Americans from Idaho lose their First Amendment freedoms when they travel to California? ...
 
Do Americans from Kentucky lose their Fourth Amendment freedoms when they travel to Illinois? ...
 
But law-abiding Americans from any state other than California lose their Second Amendment freedoms the moment they drive into California. The same thing happens to law-abiding Americans who drive into Illinois.
 
National reciprocity would correct this travesty and that should be important Mitch McConnell.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:43 PM

Some one ask McConnell if he's planning on leaving office by not running again.



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:50 PM

Good luck finding a reporter to ask or a Republican leader to answer questions like that.

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:55 PM

Some one ask McConnell if he's planning on leaving office by not running again.

Exactly what I was thinking.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 09:44 PM

Here we go again, the RINOpublican party doing what it always does.   

They know if we get national reciprocity, the party's necessity for gun owners will decline.   Who will now attempt to lobby them for better gun laws?   All those bribes, ahem, campaign contributions will slow to a trickle from gun owners and NRA.  

 

This is why we can't have nice things.  

 

They could easily do things that their base wants.  But if that happens, their base won't need them anymore.  


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:31 PM

You won't get it as long as McConnel is there. He is NOT a republican and sure not a conservative. I don't know what he wants or how he intends to get it but you can bet it ain't this.



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:01 PM

Any chance he's holding off, waiting till September or so before bringing it to the floor?  Making a big stir, allowing the Dems to fight, yell, scream and anger the 2nd Amendment base into a voting froth for the November elections?


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:30 PM

As Sarah Hoyt (one of Insty's co-bloggers) would say - This is my shocked face...



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Posted 17 January 2018 - 04:50 AM

Any chance he's holding off, waiting till September or so before bringing it to the floor?  Making a big stir, allowing the Dems to fight, yell, scream and anger the 2nd Amendment base into a voting froth for the November elections?


The same thought had occurred to me. He might also recognize the political reality that the numbers don’t weigh in favor of passage at the moment.
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Posted 17 January 2018 - 05:06 AM

Any chance he's holding off, waiting till September or so before bringing it to the floor?  Making a big stir, allowing the Dems to fight, yell, scream and anger the 2nd Amendment base into a voting froth for the November elections?

 

Yes.



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Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:08 AM

Here we go again, the RINOpublican party doing what it always does.   
 

When will you realize that you are just being played by the GOP? They care not about gun rights, they only care that YOU think that they are the only ones for gun rights and will vote for them. 


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:09 AM

Any chance he's holding off, waiting till September or so before bringing it to the floor?  Making a big stir, allowing the Dems to fight, yell, scream and anger the 2nd Amendment base into a voting froth for the November elections?

 

Possibly. But only to cause a rukus to get votes, not to get it to pass. It is just red meat to the gun community to get out the vote. 


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:12 AM

When will you realize that you are just being played by the GOP? They care not about gun rights, they only care that YOU think that they are the only ones for gun rights and will vote for them.


Exactly like they do the other single issue anti abortion voters.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 03:04 PM

 

Any chance he's holding off, waiting till September or so before bringing it to the floor?  Making a big stir, allowing the Dems to fight, yell, scream and anger the 2nd Amendment base into a voting froth for the November elections?

 

Possibly. But only to cause a rukus to get votes, not to get it to pass. It is just red meat to the gun community to get out the vote. 

 

 

Or...the Senate needs 60 votes to get past a filibuster and since we have only 51 ® and the (D)s will not be cooperating on anything this year (to show that the Republicans can't govern), there just aren't the votes to get it passed.  The only (D) that I thought might be willing to vote for this bill (Manchin) has really shown he's a (D) 1st, and for the 2A last!  What other (D)s are going to support this bill?  Even the 51 ® senators have a few flakes (pun intended) that we can't count on either.  If you can say how we can get to 60, then you've got a point about McConnell and the ®s taking gun owners for granted.  Maybe you'd like to bribe them with earmarks?


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 11:48 PM

I don't think that they have the 60 votes either.  However, I would like to see the Senate putting bills passed by the house up for a vote just to get Rs and Ds on the record with their vote.



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Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:17 AM

 

 

Any chance he's holding off, waiting till September or so before bringing it to the floor?  Making a big stir, allowing the Dems to fight, yell, scream and anger the 2nd Amendment base into a voting froth for the November elections?

 

Possibly. But only to cause a rukus to get votes, not to get it to pass. It is just red meat to the gun community to get out the vote. 

 

 

Or...the Senate needs 60 votes to get past a filibuster and since we have only 51 ® and the (D)s will not be cooperating on anything this year (to show that the Republicans can't govern), there just aren't the votes to get it passed.  The only (D) that I thought might be willing to vote for this bill (Manchin) has really shown he's a (D) 1st, and for the 2A last!  What other (D)s are going to support this bill?  Even the 51 ® senators have a few flakes (pun intended) that we can't count on either.  If you can say how we can get to 60, then you've got a point about McConnell and the ®s taking gun owners for granted.  Maybe you'd like to bribe them with earmarks?

 

Yep, 60 votes for cloture.  That ain't gonna happen.  

 

This bill was nothing more than political theater, and stood zero chance of passing from the get go.  

 

I agree with Hipshot in that they'll probably bring the bill up close to election time, make a big spectacle of the democrats going crazy, just to show the pro 2A people that they need to get out and vote for the GOP candidate.  

 

The only reason the GOP supports gun rights is to get reelected.  If the dems suddenly started supporting gun rights, watch how fast the GOP become the anti gun rights party lol.  This same type of thing happened during the industrial revolution....the republicans were big government because they controlled the centers of the industrial revolution, and then the dems began supporting big government, so the republicans went the other way and leaned on the limited government platform.  

 

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 02:28 PM

 

Any chance he's holding off, waiting till September or so before bringing it to the floor?  Making a big stir, allowing the Dems to fight, yell, scream and anger the 2nd Amendment base into a voting froth for the November elections?


The same thought had occurred to me. He might also recognize the political reality that the numbers don’t weigh in favor of passage at the moment.

 

 

Yes.  Right now, I very much doubt the bill would pass the Senate.  He may be waiting for the midterm elections, to see if they go in our favor...


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 04:51 PM

60 votes are not needed anymore thanks to Harry Reid. McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate passed the tax bill in December with 51 votes and confirmed Neil Gorsuch to the supreme court with 54 votes so why not this bill? If McConnell wants to he can make it happen.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 06:19 PM

60 votes are not needed anymore thanks to Harry Reid. McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate passed the tax bill in December with 51 votes and confirmed Neil Gorsuch to the supreme court with 54 votes so why not this bill? If McConnell wants to he can make it happen.


Budget related bills do not require sixty votes. So far the nuclear option has only been used for judicial appointments.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 06:38 PM

 

Here we go again, the RINOpublican party doing what it always does.   
 

When will you realize that you are just being played by the GOP? They care not about gun rights, they only care that YOU think that they are the only ones for gun rights and will vote for them. 

 

 

You know my political beliefs, I'm neither a Leftocrat or a RINOpublican.    I know what the R half of the one party system does when it comes to gun owners.   String them along forever and ever collecting tons of bribes campaign contributions from gun lobbies. 

Our entire political system is a racket - too bad the people can't file a RICO suit. 


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:10 PM

60 votes are not needed anymore thanks to Harry Reid. McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate passed the tax bill in December with 51 votes and confirmed Neil Gorsuch to the supreme court with 54 votes so why not this bill? If McConnell wants to he can make it happen.


Budget related bills do not require sixty votes. So far the nuclear option has only been used for judicial appointments.


You need to define terms, though.

The "nuclear option" is simply changing the Senate rule requiring 60 votes to bring a bill to a final vote. The final vote still only requires a majority of those voting - typically 51.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:01 PM

 

 

60 votes are not needed anymore thanks to Harry Reid. McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate passed the tax bill in December with 51 votes and confirmed Neil Gorsuch to the supreme court with 54 votes so why not this bill? If McConnell wants to he can make it happen.


Budget related bills do not require sixty votes. So far the nuclear option has only been used for judicial appointments.

 


You need to define terms, though.

The "nuclear option" is simply changing the Senate rule requiring 60 votes to bring a bill to a final vote. The final vote still only requires a majority of those voting - typically 51.

 

Bring a bill to vote by end debate or stop a filibuster. 


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:39 PM

there would probably be more riders on it than the california zephyr...



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Posted 19 January 2018 - 07:18 AM

60 votes are not needed anymore thanks to Harry Reid. McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate passed the tax bill in December with 51 votes and confirmed Neil Gorsuch to the supreme court with 54 votes so why not this bill? If McConnell wants to he can make it happen.

Budget related bills do not require sixty votes. So far the nuclear option has only been used for judicial appointments.

You need to define terms, though.The "nuclear option" is simply changing the Senate rule requiring 60 votes to bring a bill to a final vote. The final vote still only requires a majority of those voting - typically 51.



60 votes are not needed anymore thanks to Harry Reid. McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate passed the tax bill in December with 51 votes and confirmed Neil Gorsuch to the supreme court with 54 votes so why not this bill? If McConnell wants to he can make it happen.
Budget related bills do not require sixty votes. So far the nuclear option has only been used for judicial appointments.
You need to define terms, though.The "nuclear option" is simply changing the Senate rule requiring 60 votes to bring a bill to a final vote. The final vote still only requires a majority of those voting - typically 51.


Define it thoroughly then. It has NEVER been used to pass legislation. By either party.

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Posted 19 January 2018 - 08:12 PM


 


 

 

 

60 votes are not needed anymore thanks to Harry Reid. McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate passed the tax bill in December with 51 votes and confirmed Neil Gorsuch to the supreme court with 54 votes so why not this bill? If McConnell wants to he can make it happen.
Budget related bills do not require sixty votes. So far the nuclear option has only been used for judicial appointments.
You need to define terms, though.The "nuclear option" is simply changing the Senate rule requiring 60 votes to bring a bill to a final vote. The final vote still only requires a majority of those voting - typically 51.


Define it thoroughly then. It has NEVER been used to pass legislation. By either party.

 

 

Trump's tax bill is legislation and passed and became law with 51 votes.


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Posted 19 January 2018 - 08:53 PM

 
 Trump's tax bill is legislation and passed and became law with 51 votes.


...but only because it took advantage of the Senate’s budget reconciliation mechanism, which required only a simple majority if the cost was less than $1.5T.

The 60-vote cloture requirement still exists for other types of legislation—even the stopgap funding measure that may get a vote any time now.
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Posted 21 January 2018 - 07:58 AM

Without straying too far off-topic, note the POTUS just suggested the nuclear option for passing a long-term budget and breaking the current stalemate/government shutdown. Will McConnell do it?

https://twitter.com/...056249925750784

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 08:13 AM

Just an observation that the "nuclear option" is also known as the "Constitutional option".

It's funny how much different that sounds.

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 04:29 PM

Today McConnell publicly refused to accept POTUS’s recommendation to employ the nuclear option to resolve the shutdown stalemate. If he won’t do it for the budget legislation, he certainly wouldn’t do it for National Reciprocity.
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Posted 26 January 2018 - 12:02 PM

Trump and the rest of the Republicans in our national government have gun owners, in no small part, to thank for their electoral victories. It's time they start doing us homage if they want to win again.






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