boomersand Posted May 10, 2012 at 04:47 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 04:47 PM I emailed Mulligan, Durkin, Mathias, Will and Monique Davis to support our bills and brought to their attention the fact that the courts are poised to rule and that Constitutional Carry is a reality and that I personally agreed with that route. I'll keep doing this everyday. Still haven't been able to get Will Davis to Chucks on a Saturday morning to introduce him to shooting.
C0untZer0 Posted May 10, 2012 at 04:53 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 04:53 PM ^ can anyone share the verbiage about the court cases? Or share their e-mail to their rep? I just don't feel like researching Moore & Shepard to see where they're at. I don't want to sound like I don't know what I'm talking about, so if anyone already has their facts straight in an existing correspondance and is willing to share, that would be helpfull.
boomersand Posted May 10, 2012 at 04:55 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 04:55 PM "Mr. Mathias I am writing you today to ask for your support on HB 148/ and 5745. As a law abiding citizen, I support the 2nd Amendment and the right to self defense and preserving my life and family should the need arise. My fiancé and I travel from Orland to the two biggest buildings downtown everyday without a way to protect ourselves. Both of us have CPD officers as friends and they support CCW and have told me that they don’t have to intervene in a crime that would put them in harms way. As I’m sure you know with the courts poised to rule on Shepard, and Moore- Constitutional Carry is real and I hope for this. I urge you to support this issue and for the people of IL the right to bear arms. I would appreciate your response and vote IN FAVOR of these two bills. " then I sign w my full name address and telephone number in case they would like to speak to me.
Davey Posted May 10, 2012 at 05:21 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 05:21 PM "Mr. Mathias I am writing you today to ask for your support on HB 148/ and 5745. As a law abiding citizen, I support the 2nd Amendment and the right to self defense and preserving my life and family should the need arise. My fiancé and I travel from Orland to the two biggest buildings downtown everyday without a way to protect ourselves. Both of us have CPD officers as friends and they support CCW and have told me that they don’t have to intervene in a crime that would put them in harms way. As I’m sure you know with the courts poised to rule on Shepard, and Moore- Constitutional Carry is real and I hope for this. I urge you to support this issue and for the people of IL the right to bear arms. I would appreciate your response and vote IN FAVOR of these two bills. " then I sign w my full name address and telephone number in case they would like to speak to me. You went the warm fuzzy route. I'm thinking of the "do you want it down your throat?" route. I typed this up earlier today. Debating whether or not to send it. Appeal arguments will be held for the two lawsuits against Illinois' complete ban of carrying firearms for self defense. Those cases are Moore Vs. Madigan and Shepard Vs. Madigan. A court in Maryland has already ruled that the state's discretionary permitting system is unconstitutional. This case, Woolard Vs. Sheridan, will most likely go to the Supreme Court of the United States. In any of these cases a ruling in favor of the People's right to keep and bear arms will spell an end to Illinois' ban. When the Illinois ban is struck down the following will be true: 1)There will be no permit necessary to carry a firearm for self defense.2)There will be no additional background checks necessary to carry a firearm for self defense.3)There will be no additional specialized training necessary to carry a firearm for self defense.4)Citizens will carry a firearm for self defense in public both concealed and openly with impunity.5)"No gun" signs posted by businesses will have zero legal weight and will be disregarded with impunity.6)Citizens will carry handguns, rifles, and shotguns for self defense with impunity.7)Citizens will carry firearms for self defense in every county and city in Illinois including Chicago with impunity. Voting in favor of a shall issue concealed carry law in Illinois will prevent many of the above conditions. Which way do you want it?
colt-45 Posted May 10, 2012 at 05:32 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 05:32 PM "Mr. Mathias I am writing you today to ask for your support on HB 148/ and 5745. As a law abiding citizen, I support the 2nd Amendment and the right to self defense and preserving my life and family should the need arise. My fiancé and I travel from Orland to the two biggest buildings downtown everyday without a way to protect ourselves. Both of us have CPD officers as friends and they support CCW and have told me that they don’t have to intervene in a crime that would put them in harms way. As I’m sure you know with the courts poised to rule on Shepard, and Moore- Constitutional Carry is real and I hope for this. I urge you to support this issue and for the people of IL the right to bear arms. I would appreciate your response and vote IN FAVOR of these two bills. " then I sign w my full name address and telephone number in case they would like to speak to me. You went the warm fuzzy route. I'm thinking of the "do you want it down your throat?" route. I typed this up earlier today. Debating whether or not to send it. Appeal arguments will be held for the two lawsuits against Illinois' complete ban of carrying firearms for self defense. Those cases are Moore Vs. Madigan and Shepard Vs. Madigan. A court in Maryland has already ruled that the state's discretionary permitting system is unconstitutional. This case, Woolard Vs. Sheridan, will most likely go to the Supreme Court of the United States. In any of these cases a ruling in favor of the People's right to keep and bear arms will spell an end to Illinois' ban. When the Illinois ban is struck down the following will be true: 1)There will be no permit necessary to carry a firearm for self defense.2)There will be no additional background checks necessary to carry a firearm for self defense.3)There will be no additional specialized training necessary to carry a firearm for self defense.4)Citizens will carry a firearm for self defense in public both concealed and openly with impunity.5)"No gun" signs posted by businesses will have zero legal weight and will be disregarded with impunity.6)Citizens will carry handguns, rifles, and shotguns for self defense with impunity.7)Citizens will carry firearms for self defense in every county and city in Illinois including Chicago with impunity. Voting in favor of a shall issue concealed carry law in Illinois will prevent many of the above conditions. Which way do you want it?wow i like that one, (the seven reasons to vote yes).
Drylok Posted May 10, 2012 at 05:35 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 05:35 PM I wouldn't have the heart to tell him that we'll amend those 7 conditions away 60 votes at a time anyway but ya I like that letter.
Buzzard Posted May 10, 2012 at 05:52 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 05:52 PM We are working on the task force report as fast as some can type and think Things are getting closer I hope you didn't mind my poking fun at the Task Force in post #4. I was hoping a little laughter would break the tension of waiting. I'm sure the report will "knock it right out of the park!"
Drylok Posted May 10, 2012 at 05:57 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 05:57 PM That is encouraging thanks Todd!
lockman Posted May 10, 2012 at 06:02 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 06:02 PM If we can flip just one Chicago representative, can't they just vote twice?
ishmo Posted May 10, 2012 at 06:50 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 06:50 PM If we can flip just one Chicago representative, can't they just vote twice? ssssshhh, I'm working on getting 3 of them to do that so whichever bill passes is veto proof
FAL Posted May 10, 2012 at 07:34 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 07:34 PM If we can flip just one Chicago representative, can't they just vote twice? Now THAT made me laugh!!!
billzfx4 Posted May 10, 2012 at 09:34 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 09:34 PM "Mr. Mathias I am writing you today to ask for your support on HB 148/ and 5745. As a law abiding citizen, I support the 2nd Amendment and the right to self defense and preserving my life and family should the need arise. My fiancé and I travel from Orland to the two biggest buildings downtown everyday without a way to protect ourselves. Both of us have CPD officers as friends and they support CCW and have told me that they don’t have to intervene in a crime that would put them in harms way. As I’m sure you know with the courts poised to rule on Shepard, and Moore- Constitutional Carry is real and I hope for this. I urge you to support this issue and for the people of IL the right to bear arms. I would appreciate your response and vote IN FAVOR of these two bills. " then I sign w my full name address and telephone number in case they would like to speak to me. You went the warm fuzzy route. I'm thinking of the "do you want it down your throat?" route. I typed this up earlier today. Debating whether or not to send it. Appeal arguments will be held for the two lawsuits against Illinois' complete ban of carrying firearms for self defense. Those cases are Moore Vs. Madigan and Shepard Vs. Madigan. A court in Maryland has already ruled that the state's discretionary permitting system is unconstitutional. This case, Woolard Vs. Sheridan, will most likely go to the Supreme Court of the United States. In any of these cases a ruling in favor of the People's right to keep and bear arms will spell an end to Illinois' ban. When the Illinois ban is struck down the following will be true: 1)There will be no permit necessary to carry a firearm for self defense.2)There will be no additional background checks necessary to carry a firearm for self defense.3)There will be no additional specialized training necessary to carry a firearm for self defense.4)Citizens will carry a firearm for self defense in public both concealed and openly with impunity.5)"No gun" signs posted by businesses will have zero legal weight and will be disregarded with impunity.6)Citizens will carry handguns, rifles, and shotguns for self defense with impunity.7)Citizens will carry firearms for self defense in every county and city in Illinois including Chicago with impunity. Voting in favor of a shall issue concealed carry law in Illinois will prevent many of the above conditions. Which way do you want it? 8)The state of Illinois will miss out on a boat-load of money that can be gained through a licensing process.(I'm not thrilled about paying for a right, but I'm less happy being left defenseless.)
Sigma Posted May 10, 2012 at 09:40 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 09:40 PM This just reminded me to put yet another call into Emily Mcaseys office (its been at least a month since she has heard from me)!! Its pretty much like whipping a dead horse dealing with her!! HER EMAIL ADDRESS IS RepEmily@gmail.comI have no problem whipping dead horses.
Getzapped Posted May 10, 2012 at 09:57 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 09:57 PM and don't forget emily@voteemily.com! i also have both her phone numbers on my speed dial!! You would think she would get sick of hearing from me and just call, email or write back!!
JackTripper Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:07 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:07 PM 8)The state of Illinois will miss out on a boat-load of money that can be gained through a licensing process.I wish people would stop stating this. It really truly is not that much money. It just makes us look silly.Illinois has an $8,000,000,000 budget deficit.You do the math.
Sigma Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:19 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:19 PM missing out on money is the only thing some of these politicians respond to
TFC Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:19 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:19 PM 8)The state of Illinois will miss out on a boat-load of money that can be gained through a licensing process.I wish people would stop stating this. It really truly is not that much money. It just makes us look silly.Illinois has an $8,000,000,000 budget deficit.You do the math. Well, it's more that they had.... besides, when budget axes fall again it's much harder to cut something that's actually bringing in money.
Lou Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:30 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:30 PM 8)The state of Illinois will miss out on a boat-load of money that can be gained through a licensing process.I wish people would stop stating this. It really truly is not that much money. It just makes us look silly.Illinois has an $8,000,000,000 budget deficit.You do the math. This is the fiscal note on HB148 from the ISP. I did the math, $32,000,000 in additional revenue is WAY more than some of the other savings proposed by Gov. Quincomtax. Fiscal Note, House Floor Amendment No. 2 (Illinois State Police) HB 148 (H-AM 2) fiscal impact is as follows: With a conservative estimate of 325,000 permit applications in the first year, the Illinois State Police (ISP) will require twenty-five new civilian personnel plus two contractual employees for six months each, and $51,000 for equipment and materials representing an increase of approximately $2,978,038 to properly administer this mandate. HB 148 will also generate revenue for the Illinois State Police. The FY 12 total revenue projections are estimated to be at $31,875,000. These estimates are conservative and based on record levels of FOID card applications and firearm transfer requests over the last four years. At the same time, the Illinois State Police will continue to process record levels of FOID applications.
abolt243 Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:39 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:39 PM 8)The state of Illinois will miss out on a boat-load of money that can be gained through a licensing process.I wish people would stop stating this. It really truly is not that much money. It just makes us look silly.Illinois has an $8,000,000,000 budget deficit.You do the math. True, $28,000,000 profit is not much compared to an 8 BILLION deficit. But remember, Quinn wants to close prisons and mental health facitlities just to save $12 milllion. Both of those actions put people out of work and create hardships on Illinois citizens. You can pass RTC, put 25+ people to work, and more than make up the proposed cuts to the ISP for this year. And that's after you upgrade the ISP computer system and make some improvements to other equipment. The financial aspect is certainly NOT a negative. Tim
Bud Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:49 PM Posted May 10, 2012 at 10:49 PM Again, Governor Quinn, spineless, dishonorable politician that he is, is not an automatic veto. He has already proved that he will do anything to stay in office.
vezpa Posted May 11, 2012 at 01:27 AM Posted May 11, 2012 at 01:27 AM If we get all the votes we need, how long until the bill becomes law? 60 days unless it's signed early by Jello? That should be enough time for Chicago to scare someone into changing their vote. Isn't that something that can happen?
Bud Posted May 11, 2012 at 01:34 AM Posted May 11, 2012 at 01:34 AM once a vote is cast and the voting is closed it's all over
C0untZer0 Posted May 11, 2012 at 02:47 AM Posted May 11, 2012 at 02:47 AM Don't we need a 2/3 majority to over-ride home rule and don't we need 2/3 majority to make it veto proof? And aren't there 118 house members? And isn't 2/3 of 118 = 78 ???
abolt243 Posted May 11, 2012 at 03:03 AM Posted May 11, 2012 at 03:03 AM Don't we need a 2/3 majority to over-ride home rule and don't we need 2/3 majority to make it veto proof? And aren't there 118 house members? And isn't 2/3 of 118 = 78 ??? No, we need a 3/5ths majority = 60%. Do the math. Do you really think that people that have been doing this for 10+ years don't know how many votes it takes??
drdoom Posted May 11, 2012 at 03:23 AM Posted May 11, 2012 at 03:23 AM If the Chicago bunch votes no on this, it will REALLY show how stupid, and behind on the times they and the rest of the machine are.
Bud Posted May 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM Posted May 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM They could care less about 'being in style'. This is about control.
output Posted May 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM Posted May 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM Don't we need a 2/3 majority to over-ride home rule and don't we need 2/3 majority to make it veto proof? And aren't there 118 house members? And isn't 2/3 of 118 = 78 ??? Here we go ...... Come on people.
Dilbert Posted May 11, 2012 at 12:41 PM Posted May 11, 2012 at 12:41 PM I noticed Rep. Brad E. Halbrook was added as a Co-Sponsor yesterday (May 10) to HB 5745. I also counted forty (40) sponsors. I realize that the sponsors listed are not the total representation of the actual floor vote. Any of the representatives can vote in favor or oppose a bill. My question is this: Is there any benefit a representative gains by sponsoring a bill? What distinguishes a Chief Co-Sponsor from a Co-Sponsor?
Drylok Posted May 11, 2012 at 01:37 PM Posted May 11, 2012 at 01:37 PM Dilbert, the sponsors don't really make a huge difference to what happens on the floor but it's always nice to have as many as possible leading up to a vote. I think last year right before the vote came down we got up to 60 sponsors on 148. Now there seems to be some crossing of sponsorship going on between the two bills. But once Todd tells them which one he is going to run they will all pile on to that bill.
colt-45 Posted May 11, 2012 at 01:47 PM Posted May 11, 2012 at 01:47 PM Don't we need a 2/3 majority to over-ride home rule and don't we need 2/3 majority to make it veto proof? And aren't there 118 house members? And isn't 2/3 of 118 = 78 ??? No, we need a 3/5ths majority = 60%. Do the math. Do you really think that people that have been doing this for 10+ years don't know how many votes it takes??and there are 113 house member's instead of 118 the last time i counted.
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