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House defense bill ... will this be the one?

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willxjcherokee Member

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No this is the National Defense Bill, aka national security. The controversy is the new bill allows the military to arrest any citizens without due process, and right to a trial. And all they need is an excuse that the person is a "security risk"
abolt243 Member

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No this is the National Defense Bill, aka national security. The controversy is the new bill allows the military to arrest any citizens without due process, and right to a trial. And all they need is an excuse that the person is a "security risk"

 

 

Correct, and it's expected to pass, Obama won't veto it. So, it's a perfect vehicle to tie national reciprocity to. Will be interesting to watch.

 

AB

howie Member

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Seven days worth of food? Watertight ammo storage? Who comes up with this stuff? I can't understand how people who think they're so smart, could really be so very, very stupid.
willxjcherokee Member

willxjcherokee

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No this is the National Defense Bill, aka national security. The controversy is the new bill allows the military to arrest any citizens without due process, and right to a trial. And all they need is an excuse that the person is a "security risk"

 

 

Correct, and it's expected to pass, Obama won't veto it. So, it's a perfect vehicle to tie national reciprocity to. Will be interesting to watch.

 

AB

How is the military being allowed to arrest citizens a good thing...

Oh look abolt is a terrorist, tomorrow the national guard come to get you.

Its like the communist list....

willxjcherokee Member

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I think this will bring back the idea of communist name calling.

"Hey Joe just got promoted to senior consultant"

Mark -"Oh really, I was suppose to get that job..."

Mark -"Hey didn't you hear Joe is a terrorist? He collects guns and ammo"

"No hes a good man"

Mark- "I'm going to go call the authorities"

 

> Joe goes to detention camp for rest of his life.

Lou Member

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I've been anticipating that some senator (Thune, perhaps) will offer an amendment for national concealed carry reciprocity to a big, "must-pass" bill. I am just sort of wondering aloud if this could be the one. White House has said it won't veto the measure ...

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/14/politics/congress-defense-bill/index.html

 

 

That is just the type of bill he tried to attach it to 2 years ago. It failed by 2 votes but I think they are there in the Senate now.

Uncle Harley Member

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Seven days worth of food? Watertight ammo storage? Who comes up with this stuff? I can't understand how people who think they're so smart, could really be so very, very stupid.

 

 

where did you read/ hear this? If it was the video I missed it.....

gravyboy77 Member

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Seven days worth of food? Watertight ammo storage? Who comes up with this stuff? I can't understand how people who think they're so smart, could really be so very, very stupid.

 

 

where did you read/ hear this? If it was the video I missed it.....

 

Read the link i posted:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/15/americans-face-guantanamo-detention-obama

Paul was backed by Senator Dianne Feinstein.

 

"Congress is essentially authorising the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens, without charge," she said. "We are not a nation that locks up its citizens without charge."

 

Paul said there were already strong laws against support for terrorist groups. He noted that the definition of a terrorism suspect under existing legislation was so broad that millions of Americans could fall within it.

 

"There are laws on the books now that characterise who might be a terrorist: someone missing fingers on their hands is a suspect according to the department of justice. Someone who has guns, someone who has ammunition that is weatherproofed, someone who has more than seven days of food in their house can be considered a potential terrorist," Paul said. "If you are suspected because of these activities, do you want the government to have the ability to send you to Guantánamo Bay for indefinite detention?"

 

Under the legislation suspects can be held without trial "until the end of hostilities". They will have the right to appear once a year before a committee that will decide if the detention will continue.

 

mstrat Member

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By the way... Although I disagree with nearly everything Durbin does, he's coming down on the right side of this one. He (or his staff) wrote, in part:

 

" We must not allow the depravity of our enemies to cause us to abandon our nation’s most fundamental values. Indefinite detention without recourse to legal proceedings is inconsistent with the principles of liberty and the rule of law that underpin our democracy.

 

Recognizing this, the Senate agreed on a compromise amendment, introduced by Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, that clarifies the language on detainees, excluding United States citizens, lawful resident aliens, and anyone captured or arrested in the United Sates. "

...

"The Senate and House are currently reconciling the differences between the two versions of the NDAA."

 

(emphasis added).

stm Member

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The Federal government has NO AUTHORITY to pass a bill like this.

 

You can tie an amendment to this bill that overturns every gun law on the books, and I will not support it.

Congress has authority to pass any bill it wants. Whether or not it is constitutional is another question for our friends in black robes.

 

I agree, though. I wouldn't want RTC reciprocity attached to this bill, purely on the principle of the matter. No matter how much we want it, I for one am not willing to sacrifice one freedom for another.

colt-45 Member

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so i guess when this pass than all gun owners will have to give up there guns in order not to named a terrorist. is there any one doing any thing about this? are we stuck in the dark about this bill. whats the plain here......i can just see Russa and Germany getting ready and waiting for the words, the us is now defenseless.
colt-45 Member

colt-45

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house has approved this bill so now the senate has to and if they don't than it's dead right? or has the senate already passed it to?
TriumphRider Member

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It passed Both the Senate and the House. Here are the voting results.....

 

 

Republicans Voting 'Aye'

Name Voted

Rep. Sandy Adams [R, FL-24] Aye

Rep. Robert Aderholt [R, AL-4] Aye

Rep. Todd Akin [R, MO-2] Aye

Rep. Rodney Alexander [R, LA-5] Aye

Rep. Mark Amodei [R, NV-2] Aye

Rep. Steve Austria [R, OH-7] Aye

Rep. Spencer Bachus [R, AL-6] Aye

Rep. Lou Barletta [R, PA-11] Aye

Rep. Roscoe Bartlett [R, MD-6] Aye

Rep. Joe Barton [R, TX-6] Aye

Rep. Charles Bass [R, NH-2] Aye

Rep. Dan Benishek [R, MI-1] Aye

Rep. Rick Berg [R, ND-0] Aye

Rep. Judy Biggert [R, IL-13] Aye

Rep. Brian Bilbray [R, CA-50] Aye

Rep. Gus Bilirakis [R, FL-9] Aye

Rep. Rob Bishop [R, UT-1] Aye

Rep. Diane Black [R, TN-6] Aye

Rep. Marsha Blackburn [R, TN-7] Aye

Rep. Jo Bonner [R, AL-1] Aye

Rep. Mary Bono Mack [R, CA-45] Aye

Rep. Charles Boustany [R, LA-7] Aye

Rep. Kevin Brady [R, TX-8] Aye

Rep. Mo Brooks [R, AL-5] Aye

Rep. Paul Broun [R, GA-10] Aye

Rep. Vern Buchanan [R, FL-13] Aye

Rep. Ann Marie Buerkle [R, NY-25] Aye

Rep. Ken Calvert [R, CA-44] Aye

Rep. David Camp [R, MI-4] Aye

Rep. Francisco Canseco [R, TX-23] Aye

Rep. Eric Cantor [R, VA-7] Aye

Rep. Shelley Capito [R, WV-2] Aye

Rep. John Carter [R, TX-31] Aye

Rep. Bill Cassidy [R, LA-6] Aye

Rep. Steven Chabot [R, OH-1] Aye

Rep. Tom Cole [R, OK-4] Aye

Rep. Michael Conaway [R, TX-11] Aye

Rep. Chip Cravaack [R, MN-8] Aye

Rep. Rick Crawford [R, AR-1] Aye

Rep. Ander Crenshaw [R, FL-4] Aye

Rep. John Culberson [R, TX-7] Aye

Rep. Geoff Davis [R, KY-4] Aye

Rep. Jeff Denham [R, CA-19] Aye

Rep. Charles Dent [R, PA-15] Aye

Rep. Bob Dold [R, IL-10] Aye

Rep. David Dreier [R, CA-26] Aye

Rep. Sean Duffy [R, WI-7] Aye

Rep. Renee Ellmers [R, NC-2] Aye

Rep. Jo Ann Emerson [R, MO-8] Aye

Rep. Blake Farenthold [R, TX-27] Aye

Rep. Stephen Fincher [R, TN-8] Aye

Rep. Michael Fitzpatrick [R, PA-8] Aye

Rep. Chuck Fleischmann [R, TN-3] Aye

Rep. John Fleming [R, LA-4] Aye

Rep. Bill Flores [R, TX-17] Aye

Rep. Jeffrey Fortenberry [R, NE-1] Aye

Rep. Virginia Foxx [R, NC-5] Aye

Rep. Trent Franks [R, AZ-2] Aye

Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen [R, NJ-11] Aye

Rep. Elton Gallegly [R, CA-24] Aye

Rep. Cory Gardner [R, CO-4] Aye

Rep. Jim Gerlach [R, PA-6] Aye

Rep. Bob Gibbs [R, OH-18] Aye

Rep. Chris Gibson [R, NY-20] Aye

Rep. John Gingrey [R, GA-11] Aye

Rep. Louis Gohmert [R, TX-1] Aye

Rep. Kay Granger [R, TX-12] Aye

Rep. Samuel Graves [R, MO-6] Aye

Rep. Tim Griffin [R, AR-2] Aye

Rep. Michael Grimm [R, NY-13] Aye

Rep. Frank Guinta [R, NH-1] Aye

Rep. Brett Guthrie [R, KY-2] Aye

Rep. Ralph Hall [R, TX-4] Aye

Rep. Richard Hanna [R, NY-24] Aye

Rep. Gregg Harper [R, MS-3] Aye

Rep. Vicky Hartzler [R, MO-4] Aye

Rep. Doc Hastings [R, WA-4] Aye

Rep. Nan Hayworth [R, NY-19] Aye

Rep. Joe Heck [R, NV-3] Aye

Rep. Jeb Hensarling [R, TX-5] Aye

Rep. Walter Herger [R, CA-2] Aye

Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler [R, WA-3] Aye

Rep. Randy Hultgren [R, IL-14] Aye

Rep. Duncan Hunter [R, CA-52] Aye

Rep. Darrell Issa [R, CA-49] Aye

Rep. Lynn Jenkins [R, KS-2] Aye

Rep. Samuel Johnson [R, TX-3] Aye

Rep. Bill Johnson [R, OH-6] Aye

Rep. Jim Jordan [R, OH-4] Aye

Rep. Mike Kelly [R, PA-3] Aye

Rep. Steve King [R, IA-5] Aye

Rep. Peter King [R, NY-3] Aye

Rep. Jack Kingston [R, GA-1] Aye

Rep. Adam Kinzinger [R, IL-11] Aye

Rep. John Kline [R, MN-2] Aye

Rep. Doug Lamborn [R, CO-5] Aye

Rep. Leonard Lance [R, NJ-7] Aye

Rep. Jeff Landry [R, LA-3] Aye

Rep. James Lankford [R, OK-5] Aye

Rep. Thomas Latham [R, IA-4] Aye

Rep. Robert Latta [R, OH-5] Aye

Rep. Jerry Lewis [R, CA-41] Aye

Rep. Frank LoBiondo [R, NJ-2] Aye

Rep. Billy Long [R, MO-7] Aye

Rep. Frank Lucas [R, OK-3] Aye

Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer [R, MO-9] Aye

Rep. Daniel Lungren [R, CA-3] Aye

Rep. Donald Manzullo [R, IL-16] Aye

Rep. Kenny Marchant [R, TX-24] Aye

Rep. Thomas Marino [R, PA-10] Aye

Rep. Kevin McCarthy [R, CA-22] Aye

Rep. Michael McCaul [R, TX-10] Aye

Rep. Thaddeus McCotter [R, MI-11] Aye

Rep. Patrick McHenry [R, NC-10] Aye

Rep. Howard McKeon [R, CA-25] Aye

Rep. David McKinley [R, WV-1] Aye

Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers [R, WA-5] Aye

Rep. Patrick Meehan [R, PA-7] Aye

Rep. John Mica [R, FL-7] Aye

Rep. Candice Miller [R, MI-10] Aye

Rep. Gary Miller [R, CA-42] Aye

Rep. Jeff Miller [R, FL-1] Aye

Rep. Tim Murphy [R, PA-18] Aye

Rep. Randy Neugebauer [R, TX-19] Aye

Rep. Kristi Noem [R, SD-0] Aye

Rep. Richard Nugent [R, FL-5] Aye

Rep. Devin Nunes [R, CA-21] Aye

Rep. Alan Nunnelee [R, MS-1] Aye

Rep. Pete Olson [R, TX-22] Aye

Rep. Steven Palazzo [R, MS-4] Aye

Rep. Erik Paulsen [R, MN-3] Aye

Rep. Steven Pearce [R, NM-2] Aye

Rep. Thomas Petri [R, WI-6] Aye

Rep. Todd Platts [R, PA-19] Aye

Rep. Ted Poe [R, TX-2] Aye

Rep. Mike Pompeo [R, KS-4] Aye

Rep. Tom Price [R, GA-6] Aye

Rep. Ben Quayle [R, AZ-3] Aye

Rep. Tom Reed [R, NY-29] Aye

Rep. Dennis Rehberg [R, MT-0] Aye

Rep. Dave Reichert [R, WA-8] Aye

Rep. Jim Renacci [R, OH-16] Aye

Rep. Scott Rigell [R, VA-2] Aye

Rep. David Rivera [R, FL-25] Aye

Rep. Martha Roby [R, AL-2] Aye

Rep. Michael Rogers [R, MI-8] Aye

Rep. Harold Rogers [R, KY-5] Aye

Rep. Michael Rogers [R, AL-3] Aye

Rep. Thomas Rooney [R, FL-16] Aye

Rep. Peter Roskam [R, IL-6] Aye

Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R, FL-18] Aye

Rep. Dennis Ross [R, FL-12] Aye

Rep. Jon Runyan [R, NJ-3] Aye

Rep. Paul Ryan [R, WI-1] Aye

Rep. Steve Scalise [R, LA-1] Aye

Rep. Robert Schilling [R, IL-17] Aye

Rep. Jean Schmidt [R, OH-2] Aye

Rep. Aaron Schock [R, IL-18] Aye

Rep. Tim Scott [R, SC-1] Aye

Rep. Austin Scott [R, GA-8] Aye

Rep. James Sensenbrenner [R, WI-5] Aye

Rep. Peter Sessions [R, TX-32] Aye

Rep. John Shimkus [R, IL-19] Aye

Rep. William Shuster [R, PA-9] Aye

Rep. Christopher Smith [R, NJ-4] Aye

Rep. Adrian Smith [R, NE-3] Aye

Rep. Lamar Smith [R, TX-21] Aye

Rep. Steve Southerland [R, FL-2] Aye

Rep. Clifford Stearns [R, FL-6] Aye

Rep. Steve Stivers [R, OH-15] Aye

Rep. John Sullivan [R, OK-1] Aye

Rep. Lee Terry [R, NE-2] Aye

Rep. Glenn Thompson [R, PA-5] Aye

Rep. William Thornberry [R, TX-13] Aye

Rep. Patrick Tiberi [R, OH-12] Aye

Rep. Robert Turner [R, NY-9] Aye

Rep. Michael Turner [R, OH-3] Aye

Rep. Frederick Upton [R, MI-6] Aye

Rep. Greg Walden [R, OR-2] Aye

Rep. Daniel Webster [R, FL-8] Aye

Rep. Allen West [R, FL-22] Aye

Rep. Lynn Westmoreland [R, GA-3] Aye

Rep. Edward Whitfield [R, KY-1] Aye

Rep. Addison Wilson [R, SC-2] Aye

Rep. Rob Wittman [R, VA-1] Aye

Rep. Frank Wolf [R, VA-10] Aye

Rep. Steve Womack [R, AR-3] Aye

Rep. Kevin Yoder [R, KS-3] Aye

Rep. Donald Young [R, AK-0] Aye

Rep. Todd Young [R, IN-9] Aye

 

Democrats Voting 'Aye'

Name Voted

Rep. Gary Ackerman [D, NY-5] Aye

Rep. Jason Altmire [D, PA-4] Aye

Rep. Robert Andrews [D, NJ-1] Aye

Rep. Joe Baca [D, CA-43] Aye

Rep. John Barrow [D, GA-12] Aye

Rep. Shelley Berkley [D, NV-1] Aye

Rep. Howard Berman [D, CA-28] Aye

Rep. Sanford Bishop [D, GA-2] Aye

Rep. Timothy Bishop [D, NY-1] Aye

Rep. Dan Boren [D, OK-2] Aye

Rep. Leonard Boswell [D, IA-3] Aye

Rep. Robert Brady [D, PA-1] Aye

Rep. Corrine Brown [D, FL-3] Aye

Rep. George Butterfield [D, NC-1] Aye

Rep. Lois Capps [D, CA-23] Aye

Rep. Dennis Cardoza [D, CA-18] Aye

Rep. Russ Carnahan [D, MO-3] Aye

Rep. John Carney [D, DE-0] Aye

Rep. Kathy Castor [D, FL-11] Aye

Rep. Ben Chandler [D, KY-6] Aye

Rep. David Cicilline [D, RI-1] Aye

Rep. Gerald Connolly [D, VA-11] Aye

Rep. Jim Cooper [D, TN-5] Aye

Rep. Jim Costa [D, CA-20] Aye

Rep. Joe Courtney [D, CT-2] Aye

Rep. Mark Critz [D, PA-12] Aye

Rep. Joseph Crowley [D, NY-7] Aye

Rep. Henry Cuellar [D, TX-28] Aye

Rep. Susan Davis [D, CA-53] Aye

Rep. Ted Deutch [D, FL-19] Aye

Rep. Norman Dicks [D, WA-6] Aye

Rep. John Dingell [D, MI-15] Aye

Rep. Lloyd Doggett [D, TX-25] Aye

Rep. Joe Donnelly [D, IN-2] Aye

Rep. Eliot Engel [D, NY-17] Aye

Rep. John Garamendi [D, CA-10] Aye

Rep. Charles Gonzalez [D, TX-20] Aye

Rep. Al Green [D, TX-9] Aye

Rep. Raymond Green [D, TX-29] Aye

Rep. Colleen Hanabusa [D, HI-1] Aye

Rep. Brian Higgins [D, NY-27] Aye

Rep. James Himes [D, CT-4] Aye

Rep. Mazie Hirono [D, HI-2] Aye

Rep. Kathleen Hochul [D, NY-26] Aye

Rep. Tim Holden [D, PA-17] Aye

Rep. Steny Hoyer [D, MD-5] Aye

Rep. Jay Inslee [D, WA-1] Aye

Rep. Steve Israel [D, NY-2] Aye

Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee [D, TX-18] Aye

Rep. William Keating [D, MA-10] Aye

Rep. Dale Kildee [D, MI-5] Aye

Rep. Ronald Kind [D, WI-3] Aye

Rep. Larry Kissell [D, NC-8] Aye

Rep. James Langevin [D, RI-2] Aye

Rep. Rick Larsen [D, WA-2] Aye

Rep. John Larson [D, CT-1] Aye

Rep. Sander Levin [D, MI-12] Aye

Rep. Daniel Lipinski [D, IL-3] Aye

Rep. David Loebsack [D, IA-2] Aye

Rep. Nita Lowey [D, NY-18] Aye

Rep. Jim Matheson [D, UT-2] Aye

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy [D, NY-4] Aye

Rep. Mike McIntyre [D, NC-7] Aye

Rep. Jerry McNerney [D, CA-11] Aye

Rep. William Owens [D, NY-23] Aye

Rep. William Pascrell [D, NJ-8] Aye

Rep. Edward Pastor [D, AZ-4] Aye

Rep. Nancy Pelosi [D, CA-8] Aye

Rep. Ed Perlmutter [D, CO-7] Aye

Rep. Collin Peterson [D, MN-7] Aye

Rep. Nick Rahall [D, WV-3] Aye

Rep. Silvestre Reyes [D, TX-16] Aye

Rep. Laura Richardson [D, CA-37] Aye

Rep. Mike Ross [D, AR-4] Aye

Rep. Steven Rothman [D, NJ-9] Aye

Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger [D, MD-2] Aye

Rep. Linda Sánchez [D, CA-39] Aye

Rep. Adam Schiff [D, CA-29] Aye

Rep. Kurt Schrader [D, OR-5] Aye

Rep. Allyson Schwartz [D, PA-13] Aye

Rep. David Scott [D, GA-13] Aye

Rep. Terri Sewell [D, AL-7] Aye

Rep. Brad Sherman [D, CA-27] Aye

Rep. Heath Shuler [D, NC-11] Aye

Rep. Albio Sires [D, NJ-13] Aye

Rep. Adam Smith [D, WA-9] Aye

Rep. Betty Sutton [D, OH-13] Aye

Rep. Niki Tsongas [D, MA-5] Aye

Rep. Peter Visclosky [D, IN-1] Aye

Rep. Timothy Walz [D, MN-1] Aye

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D, FL-20] Aye

Rep. Henry Waxman [D, CA-30] Aye

Rep. Frederica Wilson [D, FL-17] Aye

 

Republicans Voting 'Nay'

Name Voted

Rep. Justin Amash [R, MI-3] Nay

Rep. Larry Bucshon [R, IN-8] Nay

Rep. Michael Burgess [R, TX-26] Nay

Rep. Dan Burton [R, IN-5] Nay

Rep. John Campbell [R, CA-48] Nay

Rep. Jason Chaffetz [R, UT-3] Nay

Rep. Mike Coffman [R, CO-6] Nay

Rep. Scott DesJarlais [R, TN-4] Nay

Rep. Jeff Duncan [R, SC-3] Nay

Rep. John Duncan [R, TN-2] Nay

Rep. Jeff Flake [R, AZ-6] Nay

Rep. Randy Forbes [R, VA-4] Nay

Rep. Scott Garrett [R, NJ-5] Nay

Rep. Robert Goodlatte [R, VA-6] Nay

Rep. Paul Gosar [R, AZ-1] Nay

Rep. Trey Gowdy [R, SC-4] Nay

Rep. Tom Graves [R, GA-9] Nay

Rep. Morgan Griffith [R, VA-9] Nay

Rep. Andy Harris [R, MD-1] Nay

Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R, KS-1] Nay

Rep. Bill Huizenga [R, MI-2] Nay

Rep. Robert Hurt [R, VA-5] Nay

Rep. Timothy Johnson [R, IL-15] Nay

Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3] Nay

Rep. Raúl Labrador [R, ID-1] Nay

Rep. Cynthia Lummis [R, WY-0] Nay

Rep. Connie Mack [R, FL-14] Nay

Rep. Tom McClintock [R, CA-4] Nay

Rep. Mick Mulvaney [R, SC-5] Nay

Rep. Mike Pence [R, IN-6] Nay

Rep. Bill Posey [R, FL-15] Nay

Rep. Reid Ribble [R, WI-8] Nay

Rep. Phil Roe [R, TN-1] Nay

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher [R, CA-46] Nay

Rep. Todd Rokita [R, IN-4] Nay

Rep. Edward Royce [R, CA-40] Nay

Rep. David Schweikert [R, AZ-5] Nay

Rep. Michael Simpson [R, ID-2] Nay

Rep. Marlin Stutzman [R, IN-3] Nay

Rep. Scott Tipton [R, CO-3] Nay

Rep. Timothy Walberg [R, MI-7] Nay

Rep. Joe Walsh [R, IL-8] Nay

Rep. Rob Woodall [R, GA-7] Nay

 

Democrats Voting 'Nay'

Name Voted

Rep. Tammy Baldwin [D, WI-2] Nay

Rep. Karen Bass [D, CA-33] Nay

Rep. Xavier Becerra [D, CA-31] Nay

Rep. Earl Blumenauer [D, OR-3] Nay

Rep. Bruce Braley [D, IA-1] Nay

Rep. Michael Capuano [D, MA-8] Nay

Rep. André Carson [D, IN-7] Nay

Rep. Judy Chu [D, CA-32] Nay

Rep. Hansen Clarke [D, MI-13] Nay

Rep. Yvette Clarke [D, NY-11] Nay

Rep. William Clay [D, MO-1] Nay

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver [D, MO-5] Nay

Rep. James Clyburn [D, SC-6] Nay

Rep. Steve Cohen [D, TN-9] Nay

Rep. John Conyers [D, MI-14] Nay

Rep. Jerry Costello [D, IL-12] Nay

Rep. Elijah Cummings [D, MD-7] Nay

Rep. Danny Davis [D, IL-7] Nay

Rep. Peter DeFazio [D, OR-4] Nay

Rep. Diana DeGette [D, CO-1] Nay

Rep. Rosa DeLauro [D, CT-3] Nay

Rep. Michael Doyle [D, PA-14] Nay

Rep. Donna Edwards [D, MD-4] Nay

Rep. Keith Ellison [D, MN-5] Nay

Rep. Anna Eshoo [D, CA-14] Nay

Rep. Sam Farr [D, CA-17] Nay

Rep. Chaka Fattah [D, PA-2] Nay

Rep. Barney Frank [D, MA-4] Nay

Rep. Marcia Fudge [D, OH-11] Nay

Rep. Raul Grijalva [D, AZ-7] Nay

Rep. Janice Hahn [D, CA-36] Nay

Rep. Alcee Hastings [D, FL-23] Nay

Rep. Martin Heinrich [D, NM-1] Nay

Rep. Maurice Hinchey [D, NY-22] Nay

Rep. Rubén Hinojosa [D, TX-15] Nay

Rep. Rush Holt [D, NJ-12] Nay

Rep. Michael Honda [D, CA-15] Nay

Rep. Jesse Jackson [D, IL-2] Nay

Rep. Henry Johnson [D, GA-4] Nay

Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D, OH-9] Nay

Rep. Dennis Kucinich [D, OH-10] Nay

Rep. Barbara Lee [D, CA-9] Nay

Rep. John Lewis [D, GA-5] Nay

Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D, CA-16] Nay

Rep. Ben Luján [D, NM-3] Nay

Rep. Carolyn Maloney [D, NY-14] Nay

Rep. Edward Markey [D, MA-7] Nay

Rep. Doris Matsui [D, CA-5] Nay

Rep. Betty McCollum [D, MN-4] Nay

Rep. James McDermott [D, WA-7] Nay

Rep. James McGovern [D, MA-3] Nay

Rep. Gregory Meeks [D, NY-6] Nay

Rep. Michael Michaud [D, ME-2] Nay

Rep. George Miller [D, CA-7] Nay

Rep. Bradley Miller [D, NC-13] Nay

Rep. Gwen Moore [D, WI-4] Nay

Rep. James Moran [D, VA-8] Nay

Rep. Christopher Murphy [D, CT-5] Nay

Rep. Jerrold Nadler [D, NY-8] Nay

Rep. Grace Napolitano [D, CA-38] Nay

Rep. Richard Neal [D, MA-2] Nay

Rep. John Olver [D, MA-1] Nay

Rep. Frank Pallone [D, NJ-6] Nay

Rep. Donald Payne [D, NJ-10] Nay

Rep. Gary Peters [D, MI-9] Nay

Rep. Chellie Pingree [D, ME-1] Nay

Rep. Jared Polis [D, CO-2] Nay

Rep. David Price [D, NC-4] Nay

Rep. Mike Quigley [D, IL-5] Nay

Rep. Charles Rangel [D, NY-15] Nay

Rep. Cedric Richmond [D, LA-2] Nay

Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard [D, CA-34] Nay

Rep. Bobby Rush [D, IL-1] Nay

Rep. Timothy Ryan [D, OH-17] Nay

Rep. John Sarbanes [D, MD-3] Nay

Rep. Janice Schakowsky [D, IL-9] Nay

Rep. Robert Scott [D, VA-3] Nay

Rep. José Serrano [D, NY-16] Nay

Rep. Louise Slaughter [D, NY-28] Nay

Rep. Jackie Speier [D, CA-12] Nay

Rep. Fortney Stark [D, CA-13] Nay

Rep. Bennie Thompson [D, MS-2] Nay

Rep. Michael Thompson [D, CA-1] Nay

Rep. John Tierney [D, MA-6] Nay

Rep. Paul Tonko [D, NY-21] Nay

Rep. Edolphus Towns [D, NY-10] Nay

Rep. Christopher Van Hollen [D, MD-8] Nay

Rep. Nydia Velázquez [D, NY-12] Nay

Rep. Maxine Waters [D, CA-35] Nay

Rep. Melvin Watt [D, NC-12] Nay

Rep. Peter Welch [D, VT-0] Nay

Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D, CA-6] Nay

Rep. John Yarmuth [D, KY-3] Nay

 

Republicans Voting 'Abstain'

Name Voted

Rep. Michele Bachmann [R, MN-6] Abstain

Rep. Howard Coble [R, NC-6] Abstain

Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart [R, FL-21] Abstain

Rep. Steven LaTourette [R, OH-14] Abstain

Rep. Sue Myrick [R, NC-9] Abstain

Rep. Ronald Paul [R, TX-14] Abstain

Rep. Joseph Pitts [R, PA-16] Abstain

Rep. Bill Young [R, FL-10] Abstain

 

Democrats Voting 'Abstain'

Name Voted

Rep. Bob Filner [D, CA-51] Abstain

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords [D, AZ-8] Abstain

Rep. Luis Gutiérrez [D, IL-4] Abstain

Rep. Eddie Johnson [D, TX-30] Abstain

Rep. Stephen Lynch [D, MA-9] Abstain

Rep. Loretta Sanchez [D, CA-47] Abstain

 

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Uncle Harley Member

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By the way... Although I disagree with nearly everything Durbin does, he's coming down on the right side of this one. He (or his staff) wrote, in part:

 

" We must not allow the depravity of our enemies to cause us to abandon our nation's most fundamental values. Indefinite detention without recourse to legal proceedings is inconsistent with the principles of liberty and the rule of law that underpin our democracy.

 

Recognizing this, the Senate agreed on a compromise amendment, introduced by Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, that clarifies the language on detainees, excluding United States citizens, lawful resident aliens, and anyone captured or arrested in the United Sates. "

...

"The Senate and House are currently reconciling the differences between the two versions of the NDAA."

 

(emphasis added).

 

 

 

 

So what does this mean? Have we had a case of chicken little syndrome when all along it hasn't applied to US citizens? Because if it is true that it does not apply to us and only applies to POW's then I'm not apposed at all. It would merely make formal what we have been doing all along.

pyre400 Member

pyre400

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So what does this mean? Have we had a case of chicken little syndrome when all along it hasn't applied to US citizens? Because if it is true that it does not apply to us and only applies to POW's then I'm not apposed at all. It would merely make formal what we have been doing all along.

 

Stewart provides some analysis and cites text: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/12/01/stewart-rhodes-interview-citizen-detention-act-senate-has-declared-war-on-american-people/

pyre400 Member

pyre400

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I think that Lou is the only person who understood the point of my post.

 

But anyway ... carry on.

 

Sorry - I meant no disrespect, GF.

 

I can split the posts that dont directly relate to the reciprocity into another thread if you'd like. ..be more than happy to.

 

 

ETA: I think I now see your point. Reciprocity would draw an obama veto?

Uncle Harley Member

Uncle Harley

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So what does this mean? Have we had a case of chicken little syndrome when all along it hasn't applied to US citizens? Because if it is true that it does not apply to us and only applies to POW's then I'm not apposed at all. It would merely make formal what we have been doing all along.

 

Stewart provides some analysis and cites text: http://oathkeepers.o...merican-people/

 

 

 

 

From your link

 

 

There is a great deal of confusion about this bill, with some incorrectly interpreting it as not affecting American citizens. There is also confusion about the very dangerous legal precedents that this bill seeks to codify and bolster

 

 

So my question is, is this why Obama originally vowed to veto it?, and then

 

From the text I quoted...............

 

"Recognizing this, the Senate agreed on a compromise amendment, introduced by Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, that clarifies the language on detainees, excluding United States citizens, lawful resident aliens, and anyone captured or arrested in the United Sates. "

 

 

And now that they agreed on an amendment that makes it CLEAR that ANYONE captured or arrested in the US is exempt that he now lifted his veto threat. I can't belive what I'm about to type, but this may just be the best thing Obama has done his entire time in office. ( threten to veto the bill in it's original format that is)

colt-45 Member

colt-45

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So what does this mean? Have we had a case of chicken little syndrome when all along it hasn't applied to US citizens? Because if it is true that it does not apply to us and only applies to POW's then I'm not apposed at all. It would merely make formal what we have been doing all along.

 

Stewart provides some analysis and cites text: http://oathkeepers.o...merican-people/

 

 

 

 

From your link

 

 

There is a great deal of confusion about this bill, with some incorrectly interpreting it as not affecting American citizens. There is also confusion about the very dangerous legal precedents that this bill seeks to codify and bolster

 

 

So my question is, is this why Obama originally vowed to veto it?, and then

 

From the text I quoted...............

 

"Recognizing this, the Senate agreed on a compromise amendment, introduced by Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, that clarifies the language on detainees, excluding United States citizens, lawful resident aliens, and anyone captured or arrested in the United Sates. "

 

 

And now that they agreed on an amendment that makes it CLEAR that ANYONE captured or arrested in the US is exempt that he now lifted his veto threat. I can't belive what I'm about to type, but this may just be the best thing Obama has done his entire time in office. ( threten to veto the bill in it's original format that is)

i wish that some one that really know how that bill reads would explain it to all of us. cause i'm getting both we can be and we are excluded from the bill so witch one is it?

Uncle Harley Member

Uncle Harley

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i wish that some one that really know how that bill reads would explain it to all of us. cause i'm getting both we can be and we are excluded from the bill so witch one is it?

 

 

 

we have to vote on it to see what's in it frantics.gif

pyre400 Member

pyre400

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I can't belive what I'm about to type, but this may just be the best thing Obama has done his entire time in office. ( threten to veto the bill in it's original format that is)

Some have said its posturing by Obama, and that he may even sign it anyway.

 

 

 

i wish that some one that really know how that bill reads would explain it to all of us. cause i'm getting both we can be and we are excluded from the bill so witch one is it?

 

Its both... US citizens are excluded in one section, but another section has wording that gives the president an "option". Stewart covers that in the link I provided. There's a video there too, if you have broadband.

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