Lou Posted January 10, 2009 at 03:18 AM Posted January 10, 2009 at 03:18 AM http://www.danrutherford.com/surveyresults.asp
abolt243 Posted January 10, 2009 at 04:08 AM Posted January 10, 2009 at 04:08 AM http://www.danrutherford.com/surveyresults.asp Ya know, I like Rutherford and all and would certainly support any run he might make at the Gov's chair. But, I'm going to watch real closely to see how strongly he supports pro gun bills this year. His name better be on the sponsor list for any good bill that shows up. And if an LTC bill gets out, I'm hoping for some real support there. I'd like to see some action to match the verbage. Tim
Lou Posted January 10, 2009 at 05:33 PM Author Posted January 10, 2009 at 05:33 PM Agreed Tim. He talks a good 2A game and from what I've seen votes the "right" way but I'd sure like to see him be more proactive as far as sponsoring and actively pushing pro-2A bills.
mack69 Posted January 10, 2009 at 07:40 PM Posted January 10, 2009 at 07:40 PM I agree as well....Dan is an ok guy and may mean well but it seems all he has ever done was put up so far useless polls. I agree that he needs to give us something a little bit more substantial! Let's see what this session brings.....
TTIN Posted January 11, 2009 at 01:24 AM Posted January 11, 2009 at 01:24 AM I was a little disappointed with the results of the abortion issue. I know,off subject.
sctman800 Posted January 11, 2009 at 03:07 PM Posted January 11, 2009 at 03:07 PM I realize this is also a bit off topic, but I have to question why his survey would include motorcycle helmet laws. This is a subject that has been decided many years ago by the Illinois Supreme Court. It is also a subject I hold close to my heart the same as any other right. I have also noticed the people who would take away the right to keep and bear arms are the same people who would advocate mandatory helmet laws. Jim.
glide Posted January 11, 2009 at 03:15 PM Posted January 11, 2009 at 03:15 PM survey's are nice but what action you take from the survey is what matters most. Now he has the numbers let's see him do some good with them.
TTIN Posted January 11, 2009 at 10:44 PM Posted January 11, 2009 at 10:44 PM survey's are nice but what action you take from the survey is what matters most. Now he has the numbers let's see him do some good with them. Amen brother!
Slappy Posted January 12, 2009 at 01:50 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 01:50 PM I'm actually very surprised at the results... not the CCW, but its a mixed bag otherwise... I wonder why people oppose a land based casino and mandatory motorcycle helmet laws? It seems contradictory to the overall conservative theme the rest of the poll results have going...
BShawn Posted January 12, 2009 at 05:08 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 05:08 PM I'm actually very surprised at the results... not the CCW, but its a mixed bag otherwise... I wonder why people oppose a land based casino and mandatory motorcycle helmet laws? It seems contradictory to the overall conservative theme the rest of the poll results have going...Just to let you know we are no longer referring to it as CCW it is now LTC I am sorry I cannot link to that discussion, it's just how it is
Slappy Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:10 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:10 PM Just to let you know we are no longer referring to it as CCW it is now LTC I am sorry I cannot link to that discussion, it's just how it is Ok, I'm going to need an explanation on that one... We aren't getting PC are we?
BShawn Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:17 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:17 PM Just to let you know we are no longer referring to it as CCW it is now LTC I am sorry I cannot link to that discussion, it's just how it is Ok, I'm going to need an explanation on that one... We aren't getting PC are we?I can still try to dig up the link to the convo where we had the talk about that... But NO we aren't going P/C. More or less it, as short as I can 'splain it... It's to combat the ANTI's language, and terminology. Like those darn anti's have gotten people hooked (or in fear of), using words like,: Assault weapons / assault riflesgun violencehigh capacity magazines that kinda CRAP! so one thing is a vouching to not fall into using their own terminology, example those 3 things above (and several others) will NEVER be omitted from my mouth ever again! A few things I know we pretty much unanimously decided on here at IC was instead of using HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES ~ STANDARD CAPACITY MAGAZINESCCW ~ LTC (since the un-educated general public would most likely associate a BAD thing with the word CONCEAL, or how concealing is hiding and hiding is bad, or why would you want to hide something etc...etc...) If I can find it I will link to it, or you may be able to find it. The words "think tank" come to mind, I will try to find it again.
Slappy Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:32 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:32 PM I can still try to dig up the link to the convo where we had the talk about that... But NO we aren't going P/C. More or less it, as short as I can 'splain it... It's to combat the ANTI's language, and terminology. Like those darn anti's have gotten people hooked (or in fear of), using words like,: Assault weapons / assault riflesgun violencehigh capacity magazines that kinda CRAP! so one thing is a vouching to not fall into using their own terminology, example those 3 things above (and several others) will NEVER be omitted from my mouth ever again! A few things I know we pretty much unanimously decided on here at IC was instead of using HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES ~ STANDARD CAPACITY MAGAZINESCCW ~ LTC (since the un-educated general public would most likely associate a BAD thing with the word CONCEAL, or how concealing is hiding and hiding is bad, or why would you want to hide something etc...etc...) If I can find it I will link to it, or you may be able to find it. The words "think tank" come to mind, I will try to find it again. OK... I buy that logic... kind of playing Lawyerball but its effective and connotation is the name of the game here. Did we at IC come up with this or this the new catch phrase nationally for CCW/LTC movement? And to ask an obvious question: LTC does mean Licensed to Carry, correct?
BShawn Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:35 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:35 PM I can still try to dig up the link to the convo where we had the talk about that... But NO we aren't going P/C. More or less it, as short as I can 'splain it... It's to combat the ANTI's language, and terminology. Like those darn anti's have gotten people hooked (or in fear of), using words like,: Assault weapons / assault riflesgun violencehigh capacity magazines that kinda CRAP! so one thing is a vouching to not fall into using their own terminology, example those 3 things above (and several others) will NEVER be omitted from my mouth ever again! A few things I know we pretty much unanimously decided on here at IC was instead of using HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES ~ STANDARD CAPACITY MAGAZINESCCW ~ LTC (since the un-educated general public would most likely associate a BAD thing with the word CONCEAL, or how concealing is hiding and hiding is bad, or why would you want to hide something etc...etc...) If I can find it I will link to it, or you may be able to find it. The words "think tank" come to mind, I will try to find it again. OK... I buy that logic... kind of playing Lawyerball but its effective and connotation is the name of the game here. Did we at IC come up with this or this the new catch phrase nationally for CCW/LTC movement? And to ask an obvious question: LTC does mean Licensed to Carry, correct? I am pretty sure it's just an IC thing as of yet... That would be nice to get it going nationally! && yes LTC stands for License to Carry. Put's that positive connotation to it (kinda like how you 'have to' obtain a License to operate a motor vehicle, should put the un-educated "at rest" knowing you will have to obtain a "License" to be able to "Carry")
Slappy Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:39 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:39 PM I am pretty sure it's just an IC thing as of yet... That would be nice to get it going nationally! && yes LTC stands for License to Carry. Put's that positive connotation to it (kinda like how you 'have to' obtain a License to operate a motor vehicle, should put the un-educated "at rest" knowing you will have to obtain a "License" to be able to "Carry") LTC it is then! Thanks for the explanation!
BShawn Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:48 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 07:48 PM I am pretty sure it's just an IC thing as of yet... That would be nice to get it going nationally! && yes LTC stands for License to Carry. Put's that positive connotation to it (kinda like how you 'have to' obtain a License to operate a motor vehicle, should put the un-educated "at rest" knowing you will have to obtain a "License" to be able to "Carry") LTC it is then! Thanks for the explanation! No problem!
EnjoyLife Posted January 12, 2009 at 09:07 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 09:07 PM I have also noticed the people who would take away the right to keep and bear arms are the same people who would advocate mandatory helmet laws. Jim. Not everyone is like that, but I'm not going to muck this thread up with my feelings on why I think helmets should be mandatory. Yes, I ride.
BShawn Posted January 12, 2009 at 09:14 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 09:14 PM I certainly do not advocate mandatory helmet laws (and I am a rider). I do not advocate 'big brother' telling anyone what or how or where or when something must or must not be done! Pertaining to any subject, not just firearms and helmets (or seat belts) as well!
EnjoyLife Posted January 12, 2009 at 09:27 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 09:27 PM I certainly do not advocate mandatory helmet laws (and I am a rider). I do not advocate 'big brother' telling anyone what or how or where or when something must or must not be done! Pertaining to any subject, not just firearms and helmets (or seat belts) as well! Then I think it best to agreed to disagree and get this back on topic.
BShawn Posted January 12, 2009 at 09:35 PM Posted January 12, 2009 at 09:35 PM I certainly do not advocate mandatory helmet laws (and I am a rider). I do not advocate 'big brother' telling anyone what or how or where or when something must or must not be done! Pertaining to any subject, not just firearms and helmets (or seat belts) as well! Then I think it best to agreed to disagree and get this back on topic.Alright, that's that, I agree to disagree. </tangent> back to the main topic at hand
Smittyp83 Posted January 15, 2009 at 06:29 PM Posted January 15, 2009 at 06:29 PM So I just called Dan Rutheford's office and spoke with one of his assistants. I mentioned that the survey results were great and the overwhelming support of CCW by those who have taken the survey. I asked, "OK, so now what is the Senator going to do about it?" I asked if he is proposing or sponsoring any CCW bills in the GA and if so, I would contact my reps to get on board with him. She was going to check with him (I believe he is occupied with some other business in Springfield) and is supposed to get back to me. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
abolt243 Posted January 16, 2009 at 12:42 AM Posted January 16, 2009 at 12:42 AM I am pretty sure it's just an IC thing as of yet... That would be nice to get it going nationally! && yes LTC stands for License to Carry. Put's that positive connotation to it (kinda like how you 'have to' obtain a License to operate a motor vehicle, should put the un-educated "at rest" knowing you will have to obtain a "License" to be able to "Carry") LTC it is then! Thanks for the explanation! The comments BShawn is referring to are at post #20 here through about #45 and again here at about #13 through #21. Actually, it's an idea borrowed from IN, a neighbor state that has had LTCH (License to Carry a Handgun) for about 73 years. Many states have many different terms for it. KY=CCDW (concealed carry of a deadly weapon), PA=License to carry a firearm, MO=CCW endorsement. The term, License to Carry, does come across as less "threatening" than "concealed" carry. Anything that is concealed carries a bad connotation to many folks. Also, calling it LTC (License to Carry) gives no preconceived notion of how that firearm (not necessarly a handgun) must be carried (open or concealed). Many states with "CCW" have very stringent rules on concealment, even to the point of making it a felony if someone sees the "print" from your concealed weapon and makes a complaint. (See OK law). Quite frankly, we have a "Right to Carry" as an inalienable right granted by our creator and confirmed by the Second Amendment. I find it an infringement on that right that I must have a license issued by some governmental agency to exercise that right. I'm not required to have a license to speak my peace, or to publish a paper expounding my views, or to attend (or not attend) the church of my choice. Why should I be required to have a license to carry a firearm for protection or for no particular reason??? But, realistically, we have to advance in baby steps. We're so far behind here in IL, that will be a lot of steps!!!!! Hang in there, we'll make it!!! Tim
Slappy Posted January 16, 2009 at 01:49 AM Posted January 16, 2009 at 01:49 AM The comments BShawn is referring to are at post #20 here through about #45 and again here at about #13 through #21. Actually, it's an idea borrowed from IN, a neighbor state that has had LTCH (License to Carry a Handgun) for about 73 years. Many states have many different terms for it. KY=CCDW (concealed carry of a deadly weapon), PA=License to carry a firearm, MO=CCW endorsement. The term, License to Carry, does come across as less "threatening" than "concealed" carry. Anything that is concealed carries a bad connotation to many folks. Also, calling it LTC (License to Carry) gives no preconceived notion of how that firearm (not necessarly a handgun) must be carried (open or concealed). Many states with "CCW" have very stringent rules on concealment, even to the point of making it a felony if someone sees the "print" from your concealed weapon and makes a complaint. (See OK law). Quite frankly, we have a "Right to Carry" as an inalienable right granted by our creator and confirmed by the Second Amendment. I find it an infringement on that right that I must have a license issued by some governmental agency to exercise that right. I'm not required to have a license to speak my peace, or to publish a paper expounding my views, or to attend (or not attend) the church of my choice. Why should I be required to have a license to carry a firearm for protection or for no particular reason??? But, realistically, we have to advance in baby steps. We're so far behind here in IL, that will be a lot of steps!!!!! Hang in there, we'll make it!!! Tim Thanks for the explanation! We do have a ways to go but thats why we're here... To organize, inform and protect everyone's rights!
BShawn Posted January 16, 2009 at 10:57 PM Posted January 16, 2009 at 10:57 PM Yes thank you much buddy, I couldn't find that original conversation we had
BShawn Posted January 17, 2009 at 12:57 AM Posted January 17, 2009 at 12:57 AM I really hope the CCW - LTC goes national :Crying. =-(:
Smittyp83 Posted January 17, 2009 at 06:29 PM Posted January 17, 2009 at 06:29 PM So I just called Dan Rutheford's office and spoke with one of his assistants. I mentioned that the survey results were great and the overwhelming support of CCW by those who have taken the survey. I asked, "OK, so now what is the Senator going to do about it?" I asked if he is proposing or sponsoring any CCW bills in the GA and if so, I would contact my reps to get on board with him. She was going to check with him (I believe he is occupied with some other business in Springfield) and is supposed to get back to me. I'll let you know if I hear anything. Their office called me back later that afternoon. She said that Sen Rutheford is very supportive of LTC in the state and that he has always been in favor of legislation for LTC, however, the bills are always killed before they make it to a floor vote. He will continue to push for passing a LTC law. I was suprised they got back to me so quickly!
abolt243 Posted January 19, 2009 at 04:34 PM Posted January 19, 2009 at 04:34 PM Now Rutherford is selling Obama memorabilia to raise money for his campaign!! C'mon Dan, you're using the inauguration of the most second most liberal Democrat in the US Senate as President to raise money for your campaign??!!!! I'd come a lot closer to sending you money to help you combat his socialist programs than for a button celebrating his election!!!! Dan, look yourself up on the ILGA site, that's an 'R' after your name!!!!! And, yes, I did send this to his campaign site to!!!!!! Sheesh!!Tim From: Senator Dan Rutherford [mailto:DanRutherford@DanRutherford.org] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:02 AMTo: TimSubject: Presidential Inaugural memorabilia Dear Tim, Another chapter of American history has unfolded, with Barack Obama assuming the Presidency. The Inauguration of an American President is historic in its own right, but the 44th President has provided a first in our great country. Since the beginning of America historians, political activists and collectors have sought memorabilia of U.S. Presidents. The Inaugural of President Obama has caught the attention of the world and souvenir seekers abound. Having served with Barack in the Illinois Senate, I knew to get some of the collectables for my family early. I personally selected authorized buttons of this historic moment. In appreciation of a financial contribution to the Dan Rutherford Campaign Committee we will send unique buttons from this historic election. The Presidential memorabilia will be k! eepsakes for grandchildren and friends. Click here to make your contribution and to receive your memorabilia. Tim, thank you for your support of our campaign committee. I hope you enjoy the Presidential memorabilia as much as my family has. Sincerely, Dan Rutherford State Senator
GWBH Posted January 19, 2009 at 05:08 PM Posted January 19, 2009 at 05:08 PM Now Rutherford is selling Obama memorabilia to raise money for his campaign!! C'mon Dan, you're using the inauguration of the most second most liberal Democrat in the US Senate as President to raise money for your campaign??!!!! I'd come a lot closer to sending you money to help you combat his socialist programs than for a button celebrating his election!!!! Dan, look yourself up on the ILGA site, that's an 'R' after your name!!!!! And, yes, I did send this to his campaign site to!!!!!! Sheesh!!Tim From: Senator Dan Rutherford [mailto:DanRutherford@DanRutherford.org] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:02 AMTo: TimSubject: Presidential Inaugural memorabilia Dear Tim, Another chapter of American history has unfolded, with Barack Obama assuming the Presidency. The Inauguration of an American President is historic in its own right, but the 44th President has provided a first in our great country. Since the beginning of America historians, political activists and collectors have sought memorabilia of U.S. Presidents. The Inaugural of President Obama has caught the attention of the world and souvenir seekers abound. Having served with Barack in the Illinois Senate, I knew to get some of the collectables for my family early. I personally selected authorized buttons of this historic moment. In appreciation of a financial contribution to the Dan Rutherford Campaign Committee we will send unique buttons from this historic election. The Presidential memorabilia will be k! eepsakes for grandchildren and friends. Click here to make your contribution and to receive your memorabilia. Tim, thank you for your support of our campaign committee. I hope you enjoy the Presidential memorabilia as much as my family has. Sincerely, Dan Rutherford State Senator I got the same letter from him and I'm extremely disappointed in this tactic.What the heck has happened to principle with Illinois Conservatives??I did send this to his site as well... Senator,I'm quite taken aback by this email. Selling inauguration memorabilia for this man, considering his Liberal political stance on issues that I hold dear is not in keeping with principles that I agree with.I'm not a Republican or a Democrat - I'm a Conservative and will have no part of purchasing anything for anyone that tosses The Bill of Rights aside to further agendas that seek to undermine, re-write and destroy The U.S. ConstitutionIn my opinion, that you would use this opportunity to fund your campaign by peddling souvenirs for this man's inauguration is unconscionable. GWBHElizabethtown, Illinois
1957Human Posted January 27, 2009 at 04:05 PM Posted January 27, 2009 at 04:05 PM Now Rutherford is selling Obama memorabilia to raise money for his campaign!! I'm in Rutherford's district and have been on his mailing list every since I first wrote him years ago. And I was offended by this fund-raising tactic as well. Did you visit his internet "General Store"? Seems there's little he won't sell. While he sells B.O. campaign buttons, he also sells the book "The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama's War on American Values." (Along with, oddly, a book on Tiger Woods.) In other words, anything for funds... the American Way to get elected, I'm afraid.
GWBH Posted January 27, 2009 at 04:20 PM Posted January 27, 2009 at 04:20 PM Now Rutherford is selling Obama memorabilia to raise money for his campaign!! I'm in Rutherford's district and have been on his mailing list every since I first wrote him years ago. And I was offended by this fund-raising tactic as well. Did you visit his internet "General Store"? Seems there's little he won't sell. While he sells B.O. campaign buttons, he also sells the book "The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama's War on American Values." (Along with, oddly, a book on Tiger Woods.) In other words, anything for funds... the American Way to get elected, I'm afraid. I agree 1957Human.I've always liked him and would have worked and supported his campaign in a bid for Governor.I'm extremely disappointed and will look to others for a Republican nominee. It sure appears he's thrown principle out the window.
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